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Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:25 am to Kedwards1
quote:This is if aunt had nuts stuff and could be said for 95% of LSU losses in past 20yrs. In fact practically every play where each man wins his battle and executes should be a TD (incl the hated toss power), or conversely a stop/turnover on D.
if ___ doesn't ____
When players aren't collectively sharp and miss numerous executions vs a injury decimated foe, it's on the coach, just like it was on Miles.
Put the damn goalpost back where it belongs.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
Personal attacks and false statements, not one containing a counter point about the topic. I didn't bash multiple coaches you do enough of that for everyone here. The only football statements you posted there were OPINIONS about other coaches. You believe being a coordinator better prepares you for being a head coach than actually having experience as a head coach. That's fine but it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't agree with it but I'm not going to follow your lead and belittle or cut you down for it to make mine seem like it's better or correct.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:45 am to axd9142a
Whatever & 0.......
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:46 am to Madking
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What does that have to do with the unfair treatment of coach O?
it didn't.
but it's laughable that you think no coach has been treated u fair like O.
miles was treated worse and he had actually accomplished great things at lsu.
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Youre always quoting the defensive rankings of the teams he beat but have you ever bitched about the defenses Miles faced
and again, miles was justly fired.
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and never once did you say anything about Miles facing weak defenses.
what? I've repeatedly said miles had unacceptable losses.
miles didn't lose to team that were triple digit run defenses.
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The difference in those teams compared to the teams O faced last season is Miles lost to those teams and O won the games you're bashing him for.
this is the problem you and I have. You take me posting facts as me bashing o.
I never bashed o for winning those games and I've repeatedly said the offense looked better without miles.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:49 am to Madking
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Personal attacks and false statement
what personal attack.
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I didn't bash multiple coaches you do enough of that for everyone here.
you bashed miles
and you bashed PM
those are facts.
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The only football statements you posted there were OPINIONS about other coaches.
jimbo has been a successful coordinator. that's a fact.
Kirby smart has been a successful coordinator. that's a fact.
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You believe being a coordinator better prepares you for being a head coach than actually having experience as a head coach.
well neither O nor a successful coordinator has proven they can run a successful program.
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don't agree with it but I'm not going to follow your lead and belittle or cut you dow
show me where i cut you down? good lord.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:52 am to Kedwards1
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Madking you are dealing with kids here, of course they want to fire everyone NOW
no one youre conversing with is a kid.
I haven't seen anyone saying O should be fired.
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They'll learn in time, but until then they like the flashy new toy.
yeah how dare life long lsu fans and season ticket holders actually want lsu to hire someone that has proven they can run a successful side of the ball or a successful program.
for 29 of his 32 years coaching career no one thought enough of his coaching to give him a coordinators job.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
That's not true at all Miles was blasted because of losses not wins. And nobody poo poos the 07 title I've heard some claim Saban is more responsible for it or that he was lucky to get a chance at it with 2 losses (the latter being 100% true) but nobody cuts him down for the title itself. If anything it's the only reason a very large part of the fan base supported him and the only reason he was here past 08. As far as the 2012 game yes he should've been fired, any coach who makes a decision to play a kid just to spite everyone els should be fired. He played JJ just to show fans administration and assistant coaches that he was the boss and he was gonna do whatever he wanted national title or not and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it. He gave the entire Tiger nation the finger that day proving his ego was more important to him than a title or LSU. That's why ppl wanted him fired and eventually that's what fit him fired because he did it again last year. You have a lot of nerve accusing anyone of knighting when that's literally 99% of what you do.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 9:55 am to Madking
please point out the personal attack or cutting you dowm in this posts....
I even said anyone that already deems him a failure should just be ignored
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opinion.
it's amazing watching You shite on multiple lsu coaches that have had very successful tenures at lsu and then knight for someone that hasn't accomplished shite at lsu.
it's laughable the amount of goal post moving thats going on now.
for the last 4 years the narrative was that mikes was underachieving with all this talent and any dumbass could win 10 games at lsu.
now all of the sudden we have talent issues after having 4 recruiting class with all but 1 in the top.
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Jimbo Fisher lost 4 games in each of his first 2 seasons at FSU nobody panicked and it paid off.
jimbo Fisher had been one of the most successful coordinators in cfb.
ed orgeron has never had any succes above position coach.
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Kirby Smart had a drop off after replacing Mark Richt last season nobody's calling for his head.
Kirby smart has been one of the most successful coordinators in cfb.
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Dabo Sweeney took a couple years to get it right too.
Clemson and LSU were in 2 totally different situations.
Clemson hadn't won a shite acc since 199O. When Dabo was hired Clemson had 1 top 20 finish from 1990-2008.
that's 1 top 20 finish in 18 years.
no one would be upset with not winning 10 games if we were in that situation.
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Nobody wants to lose games but he's already a failure in a lot of fans eyes and instead of worrying about what the program needs they'd rather be right about O fire him and start the whole process over again.
anyone that already deems him a failure should just be ignored.
IMO his slate is clean and the success we have from here on is his.
I even said anyone that already deems him a failure should just be ignored
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:03 am to Mayhawman
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This is if aunt had nuts stuff and could be said for 95% of LSU losses in past 20yrs. In fact practically every play where each man wins his battle and executes should be a TD (incl the hated toss power), or conversely a stop/turnover on D.
When players aren't collectively sharp and miss numerous executions vs a injury decimated foe, it's on the coach, just like it was on Miles.
Put the damn goalpost back where it belongs.
exactly. using that logic the head coach isnt to blame for anything. the ciaches arent out there missing blocks and causing plays to fail.
it's being pretty clear that all those unacceptable things during Miles tenure became acceptable as soon as miles was fired.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:03 am to Rickdaddy4188
You repeatedly accuse me if things I haven't done. The things you've said I posted are stupid and not at all a reflection of what I believe. It's a dishonest account of what I post here. I never said Miles has to win x amount of games or should be fired, I never pre criticized him that way like you're saying I have. I've always maintained that I didn't believe he could go undefeated but that's a philosophical belief because of the way he coaches it's not specific to him. I haven't predicted LSU football to win 10 games in a season since I've been a member of this board but you're acting like I have accept for this year and that also is a dishonest account of what I've posted.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:06 am to Madking
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He is being bashed for WINS he had last year and also for a season he hasn't coached yet. No other LSU coach has been bashed this much for games he's won.
Let me tell you about an old LSU coach named Les Miles. Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:09 am to Mo Jeaux
Again Miles was bashed for losses not wins. And the attacks on Miles came years into his tenure not before it ever started.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:11 am to Madking
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Again Miles was bashed for losses not wins.
bullshite. Absolute bullshite.
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And the attacks on Miles came years into his tenure not before it ever started.
Yeah, this isn't true either. And he actually had head coaching success before he came to LSU, unlike O. Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:12 am to Mayhawman
Gosh this thead has devolved.
It think the point of the thread, although I would have worded it differently----"what are our expectations this year no matter who the HC is"
To me LSU is and should be a program that competes for championships. That's if Saban, Les, O or a reincarnated and blessed by the hand of God, Knute Rockne is coach. It should not matter the name of the HC.
From 2001 thru the 1/9 debacle a fair case can be made LSU was the best program in the nation. Yeah we lost to Cam Newton and Tebow. And Urban had Florida rolling and USC was great for part of it. But LSU was imho the best during that period.
There has been drop off since 1/9 in terms of wins, and talent (and depth of talent) esp at QB. But we still have loads of talent in the program and talent that has found a home in the NFL.
If any are willing to accept a program that is an Outback/Cap One Bowl program, I believe they are selling LSU short.
We didn't win titles SEC or the old BCS EVERY year between 2001 and 1/9 but we were damn good. And can and should be again.
Regardless of the positions staked out previously in this thead shouldn't we all want that level of success again and expect it?
It think the point of the thread, although I would have worded it differently----"what are our expectations this year no matter who the HC is"
To me LSU is and should be a program that competes for championships. That's if Saban, Les, O or a reincarnated and blessed by the hand of God, Knute Rockne is coach. It should not matter the name of the HC.
From 2001 thru the 1/9 debacle a fair case can be made LSU was the best program in the nation. Yeah we lost to Cam Newton and Tebow. And Urban had Florida rolling and USC was great for part of it. But LSU was imho the best during that period.
There has been drop off since 1/9 in terms of wins, and talent (and depth of talent) esp at QB. But we still have loads of talent in the program and talent that has found a home in the NFL.
If any are willing to accept a program that is an Outback/Cap One Bowl program, I believe they are selling LSU short.
We didn't win titles SEC or the old BCS EVERY year between 2001 and 1/9 but we were damn good. And can and should be again.
Regardless of the positions staked out previously in this thead shouldn't we all want that level of success again and expect it?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:13 am to Madking
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That's not true at all Miles was blasted because of losses not wins
wow. he as blasted repeatedly for not winning by enough. repeatedly.
quote:lsu posters blast it all the time saying it's a 2 loss title and we backed in...... you can't be serious.
And nobody poo poos the 07 title
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anything it's the only reason a very large part of the fan base supported him and the only reason he was here past 08
really? so 3 straight top 5 finishes didnt have anything to do with it him staying past 08?
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As far as the 2012 game yes he should've been fired, any coach who makes a decision to play a kid just to spite everyone els should be fired
thanks for proving my damn point with 1 sentence. don't ever talk about O being treated unfairly. You only wanted mikes fired after finishing #2 in the country and winning the sec title quote:
He played JJ just to show fans administration and assistant coaches that he was the boss and he was gonna do whatever he wanted national title or not and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it
he played JJ because JJ was the more productive qb.
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He gave the entire Tiger nation the finger that day proving his ego was more important to him than a title or LSU
we aren't even in that game if he doesn't put JJ in the November game. quote:
That's why ppl wanted him fired and eventually that's what fit him fired because he did it again last yea
who did he play last year to give lsu fans the finger?
the fact that you actually believe miles wanted to give lsu fans the finger instead of winning a title just further proves my point that O is no where near the most unfairly treated coach.
you openly admit to wanting miles fired after winning the sec title and finishing number #2 yet you take offense to lsu posters that want so fired if he only wins 8 games.
wow.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:16 am to axd9142a
Less had 10 years under his belt and so naturally more was expected, and should have been from him than from a 1st year head coach. Expectations are always for national title contention, but with a 1st year HC and OC he will be given some slack.
I want an undefeated season, but I think first and foremost he's got to get the monkey off the programs back in defeating Bama. That's job 1, and he knows it. If we're that good I'm not worried about the rest of the schedule.
I want an undefeated season, but I think first and foremost he's got to get the monkey off the programs back in defeating Bama. That's job 1, and he knows it. If we're that good I'm not worried about the rest of the schedule.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:19 am to Mo Jeaux
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bullshite. Absolute bullshite.
exactly. miles was blasted for not winning sec road games by enough points. anyone that denies that is just lying.
Madking openly admits to wanting to fire miles after winning the sec, finishing the season #2,and javing as many top 5 finishes as Mac , Dietzel n and Saban combined YET HE has a probkem woth some wanting O fired if he only wins 8 games.
it's mind blowing
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:20 am to Mo Jeaux
100% false. Of course there's always a small portion of the fan base who will call for the coaches head before he ever coaches a game until he's gone but that's not what we are talking about. It has to be a credible number of ppl to be an issue and it most certainly wasn't for Miles until 1/9/12.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:22 am to Rickdaddy4188
More misleading dishonesty. I posted exactly why I wanted him and believe he should've been fired and it had nothing to do with rankings and SEC titles. If this is the level you're gonna stoop too I'm not going to engage you in this convo. Anytime Miles is involved you turn into a different person completely. It's disturbing how much you love that man.
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