re: What do you guys think about oversigning?

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Athletic scholarships should be based on performance, not necessarily on the field, in the coach's perspective.

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use to be that if a coaching staff miss-evaluated a high school player and offered him a scholarship he still got his full 4 year ride. Not the players fault that he didn't develop fully into the player the coaches had thought he would be or that he was just mis-evaluated to start with.

However, f that. It's about winning and I wouldn't have it any other way. Mis-evaluations happen and it's best for all involved for the player to move on.

I think losers who can't sign enough good players bitch about those who have a surplus.

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3. The NCAA does not allow 4 year scholarships.

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It should

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Well, since you can now only SIGN 25 players to LOI's, the "bring in" part cannot be used any longer to pare the number down to 25. If you sign 25, you're done, even if some don't show up.

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They are focusing on the wrong problem. You should sign 28-30 to LOI'S when you intend to bring in 25, just like you would sign 23 to LOI's when you intend to bring in 20 just due to academic issues, injuries, or commitments just flat out backing out. If a commitment can back out then the school should be able to back out at the last minute as well. To me the real problem is when you bring in the 25 when you only have room under the 85 limit for say 17. You have to find attrition on your current roster of 8 players by the time school starts in fall or tell one or more of your signees to frick off. Well you rarely tell any of your signees to frick off (other than Porter, but in the end all was well), so you have to get some 'attrition' out of your current roster.

[quote]I think that it is an unfortunate consequence of the BCS system. At Alabama, Saban does not promise anything but an opportunity to compete/quote]


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Some of the biggest complainers about oversigning are starting to do it as well. I have a different definition of oversigning than the general idea that is floated around. Oversigning technically is when you sign more players than you have available under the 85 man limit. Every school does that. The Bama/LSU argument is because others feel that those 2 schools force kids out of the program. I'm sure it happens but it's not as much forcing kids out as kids choosing to leave or being told the circumstances aren't good if the kid stays meaning playing time. This happens everywhere across the nation. Big Ten people are the biggest complainers but it has been proven that those schools technically oversign as well. One big complainer in the oversigning debate is Texas and I follow the Texas sites pretty closely. It's amazing the spin that's being put on the guys Mack and co are "asking to leave" right now. Some Texas people are outright calling it what it is, forced attrition. The fans and other media people for Texas spin it by saying the kids don't work hard enough,are trouble or never will play at Texas. From my understanding that is exactly what LSU and Bama do. No difference between all those circumstances. If the kids that are "asked to leave" are being asked because they're just not good fits or good enough then that by definition is forced attrition. It happens everywhere and the SEC just takes the rap because it wins everything. Jealousy and envy at it's finest. The schools that have complained that are starting to do this as well will explain it away by saying they are just trying to keep up with the SEC. It doesn't hold water.

There is nothing wrong with oversigning all long as the coach is honest with the kids. Obviously, LSU and Alabama have not made too many kids mad.

The media tends to dumb everything down and take the most egregious examples and use them to downgrade an entire practice. What does a school do when it saves a scholarship spot (with such hard and fast limits on their numbers) only to see it disappear when some kid can't make grades or otherwise can't get qualified? That was the whole point of oversigning to begin with.

For some reason, the media really highlighted LSU because of Elliot Porter and Chris Garrett, two instances out of 5 years of recruiting classes. Of course, they never follow up. Chris Garrett was a disappointment at the FCS level, and Elliott wound up on the LSU roster anyway. It's much ado about nothing most of the time.

Can someone please tell me what's unethical about taking away a scholarship from someone? The school is paying for you to get an education. You didn't earn that for being an outstanding high school athlete. Granted, initially you do, but everyone knows the requirements of maintaining that earned free/partially free ride.