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Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:02 pm to AlxTgr
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You do not discuss the play on the field.
Wait, so I get mocked for trying to analyze Lee's play on the field via screenshots, and now I'm being accused of never wanting to discuss play on the field? El oh frickin' el.
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You have a position and you will not budge.
Yes, my position is Les Miles knows what he's fricking doing.
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You know you would be all over this place had Lee done what JJ did in the last two games.
I'm not even sure what that means. I'm "all over this place" now, am I not?
And as far as the last two games go, do you mean have the best performance we've had from a QB all year and follow it up with a stinker? That point makes no sense on any level.
And I don't run to this board to clown on our players when they play shitty. I didn't go in 50 threads talking about how shitty Jarrett played against Alabama. I took the only rational realistic line anyone should have taken after that game, which is that Alabama has a great defense, it's a tough place to play and it wasn't his night, but we're going to need him the rest of the year.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, but that's not shocking, really.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:06 pm to OBUDan
I think JJ running the read option, mixing in some play action, is going to be LSU's best chance against the Alabama defense.
Besides, JL still sees Da'nte Hightower blitzing up the middle every time he closes his eyes.
Besides, JL still sees Da'nte Hightower blitzing up the middle every time he closes his eyes.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:08 pm to OBUDan
quote:Wait...what?
And as far as the last two games go, do you mean have the best performance we've had from a QB all year and follow it up with a stinker? That point makes no sense on any level.
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I'm not even sure what that means. I'm "all over this place" now, am I not?
Nice deflection.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, but that's not shocking, really.
It's that clear eh? Why do you enjoy seeing poor QB play? Why do you support 3 and outs? Why do you support sacks, grounding, safeties, punts, ....good grief you're a piece of work.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:09 pm to ZTiger87
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So stats, coaches and pro scouts opinions all say JJ is better
Just wow, pull that one out of your arse huh?
Why aren't the emoticons working damnit?
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:14 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Just wow, pull that one out of your arse huh?
Well, we average more points and yards a game with JJ starting. JJ's career stats are better. Their season passing stats are the same, but JJ is a much better runner. So I would say that makes him at least slightly better. Clearly the coaches think JJ is better. JJ at least has been talked about by scouts as possibly being drafted; Lee never has. So yeah, what exactly did I pull out of my arse?
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:16 pm to ZTiger87
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JJ at least has been talked about by scouts as possibly being drafted; Lee never has
What scouts and where? Names please. Are one of these scouts your buddy at work?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:23 pm to AlxTgr
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Wait...what?
You said something about if Lee had played like this the last two games, "you'd be all over this place."
Against Arky, JJ accounted for 262 total yards and two TDs. His rating was 126.8. Completed 62% of his passes. Our 2nd highest passing output for the year from a single player (Lee against MSU was the highest at 213).
Are you trying to insinuate he played poorly in that game?
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Nice deflection.
I really have no idea what you are talking about. Your post insinuated that if Lee had played like JJ the last two games (which I'm still not sure I understand what you were getting at there) that I'd be "all over this place," which I construed to mean you think I'd be here bagging on Lee?
It really didn't make sense.
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Why do you enjoy seeing poor QB play? Why do you support 3 and outs? Why do you support sacks, grounding, safeties, punts, ....good grief you're a piece of work.
No one supports that?
Do you not agree that Lee is a tremendously better player this year than he ever has been in his LSU career?
I know I think so.
That being said, Lee has still, at times, made the same mistakes that have plagued him his entire career. They were most debated because they were costly against Bama, but he did a lot of the same things all year (backfoot throws, floating balls over the middle, etc.).
Likewise, JJ is better this year than any point in his career. Similarly, he makes the same mistakes he's always made (holding on to the ball too long, no touch on his passes, erratic throws, etc.).
It is what it is. I'm just not sure why you (and a lot of others) are so quick to point out the flaws of one and refuse to acknowledge the other.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:27 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:29 pm to tiggerthetooth
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JJ at least has been talked about by scouts as possibly being drafted
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:36 pm to ZTiger87
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ZTiger87
No I mean like a real NFL scouts' name. Like a scout that works for an NFL team and actually influences decisions. Not just a random SI article from a guy who definitely is not a scout but a journalist and only has readership at stake.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
Scouts don't really put their names out there, and have no incentive for talking up players they like.
You are asking for something that doesn't exist.
I don't think JJ has an NFL future, but I do think he stands a chance at being drafted based on his physical tools alone.
You are asking for something that doesn't exist.
I don't think JJ has an NFL future, but I do think he stands a chance at being drafted based on his physical tools alone.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
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No I mean like a real NFL scouts' name. Like a scout that works for an NFL team and actually influences decisions.
Because they fully disclose that. I found you a link to a guy who actually gets paid to analyze the draft. Thats about the best you can find on the internet.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:46 pm to OBUDan
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And would anything honestly look worse than sticking with JJ "to look right" and losing game while knowingly playing a worse player?
when you got RB's, special teams, and and Defense like ours, i bet he'd take that chance...
Posted on 12/4/11 at 11:50 pm to OBUDan
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That being said, Lee has still, at times, made the same mistakes that have plagued him his entire career.
notice you dont say the same about JJ when its so obvious...
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but he did a lot of the same things all year (backfoot throws
did we not hear and HOF QB speak of this and how 80% of throws in the Nfl your feet arent properly set?...who gives a shite if he throws off his back foot if he completes passes....I can at least say that I dont give a shite that JJ takes 5 second to throw the ball with his windmill windup if he completed passes!...
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Likewise, JJ is better this year than any point in his career
i would beg to differ, i think he is the same
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:06 am to TigerFan55555
Dude. After this season, the next time that JJ plays football will be on video games.
There is NO WAY that he will ever play in the NFL. Really. Just look at his performance last night. They play for MONEY and pay MONEY in the NFL. As a QB, you have to be able to check off and learn many offensive plays.
In the NFL you have to do more things as a QB than run the option and hand the ball off.
JJ just doesn't have it. He proved it last night.
There is NO WAY that he will ever play in the NFL. Really. Just look at his performance last night. They play for MONEY and pay MONEY in the NFL. As a QB, you have to be able to check off and learn many offensive plays.
In the NFL you have to do more things as a QB than run the option and hand the ball off.
JJ just doesn't have it. He proved it last night.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:18 am to OBUDan
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That being said, Lee has still, at times, made the same mistakes that have plagued him his entire career. They were most debated because they were costly against Bama, but he did a lot of the same things all year (backfoot throws, floating balls over the middle, etc.).
Likewise, JJ is better this year than any point in his career. Similarly, he makes the same mistakes he's always made (holding on to the ball too long, no touch on his passes, erratic throws, etc.).
I like this.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:45 am to Tiger JJ
He threw as bad as any quarterback in history (nothing new there considering his inconsistency). He plays better from behind. Mettenberger should have put in after the first quarter, at the latest. The team needed someone to settle them down with some completions (and a run threat that Lee lacks). LSU's defense and God was with LSU in the first half considering the offensive, literally, statistics in the first half.
Lee would have been demolished by the pass rush. This is why Lee can't start the BAMA game.
After that, the decision about which quarterback should have finished would have would depended on how well Mett played.
Lee would have been demolished by the pass rush. This is why Lee can't start the BAMA game.
After that, the decision about which quarterback should have finished would have would depended on how well Mett played.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
The same bad things he has done his whole career with some notable exceptions. He holds the ball too long before attempting a pass. He negates a lot of his running ability by being tentative and hesitating before taking off. He consistently overthrows long passes and puts short ones in the dirt at the receivers feet. He tries to throw the ball while being tackled. It worked this last game but is usually a recipe for disaster. He loses track of the play clock and gets delay of game penalties. He never looks off the defensive backs but always stares long and hard at who he is going to throw the ball to. He almost never looks for a secondary receiver if the primary is covered.
Is that enough? Thank god this is the last game we will have to suffer through this. And no Lee hasn't been much better and has his own weaknesses but it seems Les forgives JJ for things that he pulls Lee for. If one quarterback isn't working he should try the other and it should work both ways. I screamed and prayed for Les to put Lee and Hilliard in the game in the first half and to start the second. Just because if nothing is working then try something else. At least I got one of my wishes in the second half and he came through for us.
Is that enough? Thank god this is the last game we will have to suffer through this. And no Lee hasn't been much better and has his own weaknesses but it seems Les forgives JJ for things that he pulls Lee for. If one quarterback isn't working he should try the other and it should work both ways. I screamed and prayed for Les to put Lee and Hilliard in the game in the first half and to start the second. Just because if nothing is working then try something else. At least I got one of my wishes in the second half and he came through for us.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:56 am to Tom Bronco
I think Les has more confidence in JJ and his ability to run the ball if all else fails and he's less likely to turn it over.
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