re: What CFB head coach is acceptable to the Miles haters?

I'm not knocking Miles, nor you. Miles has 50 Ws in five years, and is nowhere close to losing his job. He is a top 15 NCAA HC.

But, be honest, were you also for giving any of Dinardo, Brady, or Laval, more time?

If I had to pick a replacement I'd want one of the following, barring the coach can't come from the SEC.

1. TCU coach
2. Sarkisian
3. Pelini

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But, be honest, were you also for giving any of Dinardo, Brady, or Laval, more time?

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Are you comparing Miles' to those coaches? That's a bit of a stretch, IMHO.

And to answer your question, no.

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Really? The only two years that this site has really been established under Saban were 03 and 04. Obviously 2003 was great, and personally, I think the 2004 team was very good. We had Marcus Randall/JR at QB and were 1 point against 14-0 Auburn and a couple of blocks in the back against Iowa from being 11-1.

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the site was founded in 2001 and the first full blown season of posts was the 2002 season

but the Tiger Lair was around before that

but we forget about the snake pit of whining the Lair and Rant were about wide open RB wheel routes, Saban sitting on leads in the 2nd half, CBs getting burned in man to man coverage while we blitzed a SS from 30yrds deep, the QB play of Booty/Randall, the Arky breakdowns, the Brook Trout Look, the catastrophe syndrome, Jimbo cant call a game, getting destroyed at UGA in Year 5 of Saban and on and on and on

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I would like to know the last time that a coach has gone undefeated in the SEC for two straight seasons. The fact that Saban has taken Alabama to two consecutive SEC championship games, while not losing a game in the process, speaks volumes of his program building ability considering most thought it would take 3 years for him to compete.

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he is fortunate to be in the SEC when:
UF is the only true power on either side (and he is 0-1 against them)
Arky/OM/Tenn/Auburn/MSU all hired new coaches
LSU/UGA are rebuilding

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What's different? A few things, I think. He built LSU into a contender relatively fast. That was his first major college football program, and he achieved a lot of success. He went to the NFL, realized he couldn't mold NFL players into what he wanted, so I think he's now more comfortable with himself as a college coach. I think his teams carry an attitude that they are going to dominate and be perfect. I also think he is the best recruiter in the country not named Pete Carroll, and that he is one of the best developers of NFL talent around.

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and yet he was here, even with all those positives people bitched and moaned about him and then he left

and he is completely acceptable to you? Do you have an ex-wife you wish were still married to you as well?

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The fact is, Stoops is having the kind of year LSU had last year with inexperience at QB. Except you were wanting to fire Miles for it, and hire Stoops who is doing the same thing (actually worse, in a shittier conference)

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EXACTLY

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Del Rio -- young - has won in the NFL, charismatic and takes no shite. Perfect. He was my #1 choice back then

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He was around # 8 to #12 on my list back then. Times and stocks change. I doubt he'd make my top twenty to thirty today. Defensive guy, and is a big risk, as is all NFL with no NCAA HC experience guys.

If I went ex-NFLer, I'd want an offensive guy and he'd have to be young(Gruden), no old guys like Cowher or Shanahan, whom may not recruit well, or tire of NCAA quickly.

If they come for LM this or next year, and Miles desire to fix his alma mater..

Somewhat in rank and file of preference, especially the first two, my baker's dozen of potential HCs for LSU.

Brian Kelly
Chris Petersen
Charlie Strong
Gary Patterson
Kyle Whittingham
Will Muschamp
Bronco Mendenhall
Jon Gruden
Tommy Tuberville
Kevin Sumlin
Steve Sarkisian
Jim Harbaugh
Jim Grobe

Until given the keys to the kingdom, how do know what they are capable of, in terms of comparing them vs Saban and Miles, both of whom were twenty-something-and-twenty-something HCs at 2nd-in-state-U, where both couldn't win a bowl game to save their lives, for the most part, despite being hailed for taking down Big U once in a while for state bragging rights. Getting some hype for coaching up and improving ole 2nd-In-State's recruiting base.

Saban Pre-LSU Resume
1990 Toledo 9–2 7–1 1st —
Toledo: 9–2 7–1
Michigan State Spartans (Big Ten Conference) (1995–1999)
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1 4–3–1 5th L Independence — —
1996 Michigan State 6–6 5–3 5th L Sun — —
1997 Michigan State 7–5 4–4 6th L Aloha — —
1998 Michigan State 6–6 4–4 6th — —
1999‡ Michigan State 9–2 6–2 2nd 7 7
Michigan State: 34–24–1 23–16–1 0-3 Bowl Record

Les Miles Pre-LSU Resume
2001 Okla State 4–7 2-6 5th South
2002 Okla State 8–5 5–3 4th South
2003 Okla State 9–4 5–3 3rd South
2004 Okla State 7–5 4–4 5th South
Okla State:28–21 16–16 1-2 Bowl Record

Tell me that despite being in softer conferences, that Brian Kelly and Chris Petersen's resumes do not tower over Saban and Miles accomplishments pre-LSU.

Check Jim Tressell's Youngstown State title resume, which compares greatly to Kelly's and Petersen's works, before OSU came calling for him.

One day, the Stockholm Syndromers of the LSU Fanbase, will realize that LSU made John Brady, Smoke Laval, Gerry Dinardo, Les Miles, Nick Saban, Paul Maineiri, etc..as much as they made LSU!

Sure, there are better ones in the lot than others, and they capitilize with hardware, just as SOS and Urban are clearly above a Zook, in terms of a Fla..but you can't discount the platforms for success, when speaking of HC success.

LSU is a monster, and there are plenty of capable HCs out there.

Supa, I have been saying this since miles came on at LSU. I hear these mfers complaining about miles on 1210 etc and it makes me sick. It's simple, Saban left for the money and he is not ever coming back get over it. What does LSU do? Goes out and finds an exciting coach who can recruit and win. He wins a NC and people want to make every excuse not to give him credit(sabans players). Being that hindsight is 20/20, wtf could LSU have done differently? Better yet, wtf can LSU do now? Fire les? and hire who? Some of these people will never be satisfied. Keep the faith

Of course not, Miles is a top fifteen HC, with 50 Ws in five years.

Just noting that the folks that all speak as if he were irreplaceable, should he choose to leave for Michigan one day, are generally the same Stockholmers that cried over Dinardo, Brady, and Laval's tenures ending.

Our Patty Hearsts in P&G.

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puffulufogous

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The Smiths could have written "I Want the One I Can't Have" for them.