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re: What an unbelievable team Coach O built last year.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:05 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:05 am to Topwater Trout
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He deserves criticism for bad hires
I think that too much is made of this. Unless you have worked with someone you really don't know if you will be able too. He hired the top assistant in Matt Canada but they didn't work well together and it was NOT the offense O wanted.
The entire selling point when O was hired, because he has little to no actual coaching ability, was that he would 1) recruit his arse off and 2) surround himself with the best assistants. When he makes a bad hire (or hires) you bet your arse he deserves criticism.
Crazy idea here, but maybe he should do some surface level research on assistants before hiring them in order to find out if it is a good fit for his vision for the program - whatever that may be.
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Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:15 am to shackleford318
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Guaranteed the 2 shite heads listed above are sweating bullets because they know its over if they don’t produce this year (see Matt Canada).
You honestly believe that LSU will just willy nilly make a settlement to get rid of Linenhan in this financial climate?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:17 am to Topwater Trout
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3 games and a young players in a new scheme is way too early to judge IMO of course
We can reasonably judge when this is supposed to be the easy part of the schedule.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:17 am to shackleford318
quote:well losing to Mizzou and getting blasted by Miss St will do that.
I’m sick of the negativity
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:21 am to papasmurf1269
I don't get the "lightning in a bottle comment"
a) LSU was trending up before 2019 and won a NY6 bowl
b) O recruited all the players on that team including an unknown Joe Burrow.
c) O assembled that staff (minus Aranda)
He might not ever get another Burrow, but the offense is humming with a few sputters. If we had a defense this would be another playoff caliber team. I think he deserves credit.
a) LSU was trending up before 2019 and won a NY6 bowl
b) O recruited all the players on that team including an unknown Joe Burrow.
c) O assembled that staff (minus Aranda)
He might not ever get another Burrow, but the offense is humming with a few sputters. If we had a defense this would be another playoff caliber team. I think he deserves credit.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:27 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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EZE Tiger Fan
What an unbelievable team Coach O built last year.
Correction: Coach O built the greatest team the sport has ever seen. Period. When even the biased ESPN guys say so, you know it was real.
There may be other 15-0 teams in the future, but not one that dominated top teams like that one did.
Can he build another NC team? Likely.
Will he duplicate 2019? I hope no one will.
Mike Greenberg said it all and said it best:
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Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:39 am to lsu2006
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Crazy idea here, but maybe he should do some surface level research on assistants before hiring them in order to find out if it is a good fit for his vision for the program - whatever that may be.
You have evidence it wasn't? Why would O hire him if that isn't the offense he envisioned for LSU? think
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The entire selling point when O was hired, because he has little to no actual coaching ability,
you're a fricking moron
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:41 am to c on z
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We can reasonably judge when this is supposed to be the easy part of the schedule.
and if the team does a complete 180 will that judgement still be reasonable? because teams don't improve as players get more experience and comfortable with their assignments right?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:42 am to shackleford318
If O wraps up this class with Thomas, Ryan, Smith and Foreman we are going to be looking at 1-2 championship ships in the next 2 years.
The last 2 DL classes are the kind that make anyone’s scheme look good. Think 2018 Clemson.
The last 2 DL classes are the kind that make anyone’s scheme look good. Think 2018 Clemson.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 9:53 am to Topwater Trout
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You have evidence it wasn't? Why would O hire him if that isn't the offense he envisioned for LSU? think
Dude you literally just said that Canada's offense wasn't what O wanted.
LSU wasn't Canada's first gig. quote:
you're a fricking moron
OK. What are O's actual, concrete coaching skills? He recruits and motivates. Combine that with a clear vision for the program and the ability to go out and get assistants to fit that mold, and it's more than enough to have a damn strong program. But the ultimate question I have is whether or not O actually has a vision for the program. He pretty obviously is moving away from a lot of what made last year's team so special. He has earned a chance to get this corrected, but making excuses for us losing to depleted, already terrible Mizzou team is just downright pathetic.
This post was edited on 10/21/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/21/20 at 10:05 am to lsu2006
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Dude you literally just said that Canada's offense wasn't what O wanted. LSU wasn't Canada's first gig.
and I inferred he was forces to hire "top assistants" which Canada was.
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But the ultimate question I have is whether or not O actually has a vision for the program.
he wanted an open offense...we currently have that correct?
he wants an attacking style defense that disrupts the offense....looks terrible so far but it has only been 3 games with young players. Pelini may be a complete bust but what should we do as fans? kick and scream and throw a temper tantrum or wait and see (he isn't getting fired after 3 weeks so it's ridiculous to even mention that) if the team improves? Coach O didn't fire Aranda or tell Baylor to steal my DC
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making excuses for us losing to depleted, already terrible Mizzou team is just downright pathetic.
truth is an excuse?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 10:10 am to BayouCowboy
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How many coaches would have pursued him over the summer after already going through the spring pre-season? His recognition that they needed to get Burrow wasn't a no-brainer. Narcisse and Brennan were higher rated QBs than Burrow.
By the end of spring ball, neither Narcisse or Brennan could beat out McMillan, who was ranked waaay lower than those 2 and Burrow. So going out and getting another QB even if it was late wasn't that big of a reach.
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JB was the sometime 3rd and 2nd string QB on Ohio St. There was no guarantee he was going to be special.
Ohio State's QB room was known to be pretty well-stocked. they won the NC with a backup. Having Busch on staff to give some insight on Burrow also helped.
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All of those studs currently tearing it up in the NFL are HIS recruits.
kinda sorta. a handful of those guys committed when Les was still HC. good job by O keeping the 2017 class together and building on it though.
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He deserves criticism for bad hires, recruiting misses and when the team struggles. He also deserves credit for the successes.
sure.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 10:16 am to Topwater Trout
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and I inferred he was forces to hire "top assistants" which Canada was.
Lol. That isn't a good defense of him. Either he didn't know shite about Canada or his hand was forced by someone else. Honestly, I'm so over the whole Canada thing, we can just move on. As a side note, you didn't infer anything. You implied something.
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he wanted an open offense...we currently have that correct?
We absolutley did last year. This year's offense has been more than fine, at times great, this year but I'm curious to see how they perform against teams with a pulse. WE've been notably pretty rough on 3rd down and in the red zone, which were major strengths (among many) of last year's offense.
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he wants an attacking style defense that disrupts the offense....looks terrible so far but it has only been 3 games with young players. Pelini may be a complete bust but what should we do as fans? kick and scream and throw a temper tantrum or wait and see (he isn't getting fired after 3 weeks so it's ridiculous to even mention that)
This is a message board dedicated to LSU sports wherein LSU sports fans discuss LSU sports and LSU sports-related items. What exactly do you expect when a season starts as shitty as this one? Do you want 100% of the posts to just say "let's wait and see!"?
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truth is an excuse?
There is no excuse for how our defense played against dogshit Mizzou. Keep blaming the players and the SJWs or whatever bullshite you can come up with if it makes you feel better, I truly don't care what you do.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 10:30 am to lsu2006
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his hand was forced by someone else
my thoughts
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WE've been notably pretty rough on 3rd down and in the red zone, which were major strengths (among many) of last year's offense.
Comparing to last years offense isn't really fair...however we do suck at these
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What exactly do you expect when a season starts as shitty as this one? Do you want 100% of the posts to just say "let's wait and see!"?
I don't expect 100's of thread calling for a guy to be fired when he won't be after 1 game...it won't happen and anyone with any knowledge of how the world works would know this
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There is no excuse for how our defense played against dogshit Mizzou.
I've never excused it or the MSU game. I love defense and will never be accepting of playing that poorly. I won't call for Pelini to be fired until the season is over and certainly won't call for O to be fired a few games after putting together the greatest season in cfb history and one that we will most likely never see aging by LSU
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Keep blaming the players
I don't think I do but to say they don't have some responsibility for blowing coverages and not executing is stupid. The entire program has blame losing and playing the way the did against MSU and Mizzou
Posted on 10/21/20 at 2:19 pm to TheDeathValley
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but the offense is humming with a few sputters. If we had a defense this would be another playoff caliber team. I think he deserves credit.
we have played 1 defense in the top 100 in opp. points per game and it was 84th miss state.
vandy is 104
Missouri is 119
we are about to have a rude awakening once we play some real defenses.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 2:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Agreed.......
Posted on 10/21/20 at 2:21 pm to shackleford318
I see we still have 44 fare weather fans here as usual.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 2:21 pm to Topwater Trout
trout please list all the successful defensive game plans O had built prior to getting hired at lsu?
O did an amazing job last year but let's not act like he had all this game planning experience.
O did an amazing job last year but let's not act like he had all this game planning experience.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 2:23 pm to dukke v
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dukke v
what's up pops.
hope all is well with you and yours.
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