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re: What about Patrick Peterson as a kick/punt returner?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:44 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:44 pm to thunderbird1100
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he could break his leg on his first play in defense, he could break his leg on his first punt return, he could also be an all-american punt returner and give lsu a great threat back there
He has never returned kicks in his college career and there is no evidence that he will be an all-american kick returner...
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Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:44 pm to thunderbird1100
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You are minimalizing the hits on return guys way too much. About once per a game they got their clock cleaned.
i can think of one time in the last 10-15 years i've ever seen an lsu returner miss time because of a hit. it was craig davis in the tennesse game in 2006 on an illegal hit, and he was back later in the game. i'm sorry, i've always thought the strategy of not having the best guys on the return game because they "might" get hurt is a flawed logic. the risk is worth the reward. you have a better chance of them changing a game with their ability than thier getting hurt.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:45 pm to lsufball19
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you're asking a completely rhetorical question dude. of course i wouldn't want him to get hurt, but would i risk him getting hurt to potentially have a game breaker as a returner, absolutely. if you ant to baby our players, don't get mad when we lose games because of playing like pussies. after seeing RS drop some pretty elementary passes, i'm not sure how i feel about seeing him trying to field punts.
I don't think you understood the question completely. I'm not asking if you want him hurt ornot. I'm asking if you think (Essentially) risking injury on special teams is worth it for our best player on both sides of the ball at a thin position? I do not think so, especially when we have other potentially great return guys who aren't integral parts of our starting 22.
Let me ask you this...do you think, all things equal return wise, we should start Peterson over Shepard there?
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:46 pm to LSUFan760
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He has never returned kicks in his college career and there is no evidence that he will be an all-american kick returner...
what evidence did we have to think that josh reed would be an all american receiver or corey webster would be an all american db? pp is a beast of an athlete and one of the fastest guys on the team, that's the evidence
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:48 pm to thunderbird1100
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I don't think you understood the question completely. I'm not asking if you want him hurt ornot. I'm asking if you think (Essentially) risking injury on special teams is worth it for our best player on both sides of the ball at a thin position? I do not think so, especially when we have other potentially great return guys who aren't integral parts of our starting 22.
Let me ask you this...do you think, all things equal return wise, we should start Peterson over Shepard there?
um, i did answer you. i said i think risking him getting hurt would be worth it
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:49 pm to lsufball19
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i can think of one time in the last 10-15 years i've ever seen an lsu returner miss time because of a hit. it was craig davis in the tennesse game in 2006 on an illegal hit, and he was back later in the game
Trindon Holliday got banged up and missed time. It happens way more often than you think.
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i'm sorry, i've always thought the strategy of not having the best guys on the return game because they "might" get hurt is a flawed logic. the risk is worth the reward. you have a better chance of them changing a game with their ability than thier getting hurt.
Where are you getting Peterson being some all-american returner? It's not like he's done anything yet there. My point is simple - I think it's dumb to risk injury that much more for a guy who's an integral part of the defense at a thin position to return some kick/punts when, once again, we likely have some other guys just as good as he is returning kicks/punts who aren't as vital to our offense or defense.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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Trindon Holliday got banged up and missed time. It happens way more often than you think.
he never missed a game dude or showed any signs of being hurt.
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Where are you getting Peterson being some all-american returner? It's not like he's done anything yet there. My point is simple - I think it's dumb to risk injury that much more for a guy who's an integral part of the defense at a thin position to return some kick/punts when, once again, we likely have some other guys just as good as he is returning kicks/punts who aren't as vital to our offense or defense.
i'm saying if PP is the best (or whoever is the best) we have at returner, he should play regardless, so i disagree with your wanting to coddle him because he "might" get hurt. the best people should play. i bet you agreed with the colts decision to tank the last 2 games of the season too so they wouldn't injure anyone.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:55 pm to lsufball19
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um, i did answer you. i said i think risking him getting hurt would be worth it
Answer the second question and I think you'll see why most people are against Peterson returning.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:55 pm to lsufball19
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the risk is worth the reward. you have a better chance of them changing a game with their ability than thier getting hurt.
My only apprehension is found in the fact that we have other athletes that could return kicks as well if not better than PP.
1. Gore
2. RS
3. Drayton Calhoun
4. Ron Brooks
5. Jhryn Taylor
6. John Williams
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:58 pm to lsufball19
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he never missed a game dude or showed any signs of being hurt.
Yes he did. Do you not follow LSU football very closely? He got hurt a couple times and missed 2 games in his career (both SEC games). You don't remember him missing the Arkansas game in 2007? They made a huge deal about him not being able to play after being a big difference maker in the return game the year before.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:00 pm to lsufball19
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'm saying if PP is the best (or whoever is the best) we have at returner, he should play regardless, so i disagree with your wanting to coddle him because he "might" get hurt. the best people should play. i bet you agreed with the colts decision to tank the last 2 games of the season too so they wouldn't injure anyone.
It's not coddling at all man, it's called smart coaching. I mean do you really think, even IF Peterson was our best return guy next year, the difference between him and our 2nd/3rd best guys returning is big enough to risk that much more of an injury to him? I say hell no.
You're acting like Peterson is far and away our best returner. I doubt he is even our best return guy for next year.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:05 pm to thunderbird1100
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es he did. Do you not follow LSU football very closely? He got hurt a couple times and missed 2 games in his career (both SEC games). You don't remember him missing the Arkansas game in 2007? They made a huge deal about him not being able to play after being a big difference maker in the return game the year before.
can't say that i do, but i do remember him answering a punt return td from ole miss, thw eeekend before arkansas, that could have changed the game with one of his own on the very next play. i also remember trindon changing the game against arkansas in 2006 with a td. i could name more times a good return has helped the team than i could an injury on the return game hurting us
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's not coddling at all man, it's called smart coaching.
yep saban and meyer are so dumb for playing one of their best players in the return games. i mean what do they know obviously. they only have won the past 2 national championships. and what do you know, both those players were all-americans. you should def be the head coach because you know what's the smart move
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:11 pm to lsufball19
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yep saban and meyer are so dumb for playing one of their best players in the return games
Harvin was hurt all the time and Arenas wasn't an intergral part of Bama's defense. Poor examples.
But oh well, we have differing opinions on this and we're getting nowhere so we'll agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:12 pm to thunderbird1100
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Harvin was hurt all the time and Arena's wasn't an intergral part of Bama's defense. Poor examples.
harvin got hurt playing offense not special teams, and bullshite arenas wasn't important. he was an all american moron. you're not going to agree with me, i see that, but that response was just wrong, sorry
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:23 pm to lsufball19
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i said i think risking him getting hurt would be worth it
The more time he is on the field, the more the risk of injury.
PP returning kicks may give you a field position advantage that one or two offensice plays can cover.
Peterson on defense limits what the other team can do and saves touchdowns.
PP returning kicks makes no sense whatsoever on our team.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:23 pm to Milescb28
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re: What about Patrick Peterson as a kick/punt returner?
neaux.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:32 pm to byubengalboy
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neaux.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:36 pm to ItTakesAThief
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The more time he is on the field, the more the risk of injury.
PP returning kicks may give you a field position advantage that one or two offensice plays can cover.
Peterson on defense limits what the other team can do and saves touchdowns.
PP returning kicks makes no sense whatsoever on our team.
i could find you countless times where the best players on the team have also returned punts, but of course everyone on here sees far too much media of teams like the colts that try to avoid injuries by not playing players in certain situations. i'm not saying he's the best returner on the team, but if he is, it absolutely makes sense to play him. some of you people amaze me. eric berry was tennessee's entire defense essentially and he played on both special teams and offense at one time or another during his career
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:38 pm to Milescb28
i'd like to see peterson returning punts, shepard also in situations. brooks will be back there for kickoffs, hopefully shep or calhoun with him.
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