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re: What about Patrick Peterson as a kick/punt returner?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:25 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's almost like people forget the times Trindon Holliday got banged up returning kicks/punts and missed some time. Would some of you be willing Peterson miss a game or two because he gets injured returning kicks/punts? We could afford it with Holliday because he was used minimally on offense. Peterson is our starting corner and only one that has proven to be really good.
it's like some people forget our starting running backs returning punts and being very good at it while never missing games either, and still being among the top of the league leaders in rushing
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Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:27 pm to thunderbird1100
Trindon was about 160 lbs and was not a true football player. He would get hurt regardless of the position he played. He was just a fast guy with no balance and only some agility. He would go down with a arm tackle or by tripping on his own feet.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:28 pm to lsufball19
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ok, when he gets drafted in the first two rounds, what will you say then
I'll say you're lying because he is not considered a 1st or 2nd round pick.
And I don't care what other teams do or other times we have done. I think it's a dumb idea to use our best defensive player at a thin position for returning kicks/ounts wheen we have a couple other guys who are as good or better at that job and aren't an integral part of the defense or offense.
Once again, would some of you be willing to suck up Peterson missing a game or two this year if he gets hurt returning punts/kicks? Would look pretty dumb IMO.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:30 pm to thunderbird1100
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I'll say you're lying because he is not considered a 1st or 2nd round pick.
And I don't care what other teams do or other times we have done. I think it's a dumb idea to use our best defensive player at a thin position for returning kicks/ounts wheen we have a couple other guys who are as good or better at that job and aren't an integral part of the defense or offense.
Once again, would some of you be willing to suck up Peterson missing a game or two this year if he gets hurt returning punts/kicks? Would look pretty dumb IMO.
he is no more likely to get hurt returning a punt than he is getting blindside blocked going for a tackle. would you rather have us have a chad jones that calls for a fair catch 95% of the time? saban seems to know what he's doing as a coach and so does meyer, and they put the guy back there that gives the best chance to advance a punt down the field. i think we should do the same
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:30 pm to lsufball19
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it's like some people forget our starting running backs returning punts and being very good at it while never missing games either, and still being among the top of the league leaders in rushing
I'm not saying we haven't done it before, or someone ALWAYS gets injured returning kicks/punts. But to ignore that there's a much higher chance a star player gets injured in the return game than not being in the return game is being very blind. Just wondering if people think it's acceptable for Peterson to miss a game or two if he gets injured in the return game this next season...do you?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:31 pm to thunderbird1100
The depth behind P.P. is kind of a issue that I have realized, but it would still be interesting seeing him back there on a punt.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:33 pm to thunderbird1100
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I'm not saying we haven't done it before, or someone ALWAYS gets injured returning kicks/punts. But to ignore that there's a much higher chance a star player gets injured in the return game than not being in the return game is being very blind. Just wondering if people think it's acceptable for Peterson to miss a game or two if he gets injured in the return game this next season...do you?
there's a chance for injury every time you step on the field dude. trying to avoid injuries by playing players that aren't as good at certain positions is a terrible logic. there's a bigger chance getting hurt as a coverage guy than the return man. if you see a big hit coming, you can call for a fair catch. you aren't going to be surprised as much as you would as a defensive player getting blocked. PP hits people on every play, he'll be fine
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:33 pm to thunderbird1100
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We could afford it with Holliday because he was used minimally on offense. Peterson is our starting corner and only one that has proven to be really good.
Which is exactly why I'd have Russell Shepard handling the duties. He's quite possibly the fastest, most elusive player on the team....isn't a big part of the offense (unfortunately)....and can be electric with a head of steam.
Personally, I think he would be the better choice over Peterson. Not knocking PP at all. He's arguably the most talented on the team.....AT HIS POSITION. But RS is at least as fast as him, and probably has more moves than him.
BTW....I know Trindon is gone. Just wanted to rile up the rantards. The shite some of them come up with is hilarious, to say the least.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:34 pm to lsufball19
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he is no more likely to get hurt returning a punt than he is getting blindside blocked going for a tackle.
Hate to play the role of captain obvious here but his chance of injury goes up in itself being more on the field than just defense. On top of that it goes up pretty dramatically when you put him in the return game where you see typically the hardest hits of every game. You often get blindsided by a tackler going full speed in the return game.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:35 pm to lsufball19
you're making it sound as if the only acceptable person to have in the return game is a backup. do you realize how much of a luxury it is to have a guy that can change a game on special teams. to say, "well he might get hurt and he's a starter, so we'll just take our chances with someone else" is gutless and stupid.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:37 pm to thunderbird1100
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Hate to play the role of captain obvious here but his chance of injury goes up in itself being more on the field than just defense. On top of that it goes up pretty dramatically when you put him in the return game where you see typically the hardest hits of every game. You often get blindsided by a tackler going full speed in the return game.
the biggest hits happen to the coverage team, not the returner, unless he doesn't call a fair catch when he's supposed to. you know most people want the ball in the hands of they're biggest playmakers as much as possible, not limit their touches so they don't get hurt.
This post was edited on 2/12/10 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:37 pm to lsufball19
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here's a chance for injury every time you step on the field dude
There's a much HIGHER chance playing in the return game on top of already starting on defense. I think you are not seeing the obvious here. He's just taking that many more hits a game (instead of delivering them like on defense) and they are most of the time the hardest hits of the game.
Just answer the question...do you think it would be acceptable for P.P. to be injured for a game or two this upcoming season because he gets his bell rung once too hard on special teams? I'm not for it as we're not very strong at CB right now and we could have some excellent return guys who aren't integral parts of the offense or defense (RUSSELL SHEPARD, for instance).
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:38 pm to lsufball19
Try Shep this year....but next year....if he honors his commitment....give it to Jarvis Landry. Good God, have you watched his highlite tapes? I realize it's high school, so relax. But this kid has Barry Sanders-esque jump stops and lateral quickness.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:38 pm to GeauxTigers0107
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Which is exactly why I'd have Russell Shepard handling the duties. He's quite possibly the fastest, most elusive player on the team....isn't a big part of the offense (unfortunately)....and can be electric with a head of steam.
This, why NOT use Russell Shepard is my question...
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:39 pm to Milescb28
Russell Shepard = the next coming of Skyler Green
book it!
book it!
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:39 pm to lsufball19
he use to practice fielding punts after practice with the CJ and trindon
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:41 pm to thunderbird1100
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Just answer the question...do you think it would be acceptable for P.P. to be injured for a game or two this upcoming season because he gets his bell rung once too hard on special teams? I'm not for it as we're not very strong at CB right now and we could have some excellent return guys who aren't integral parts of the offense or defense (RUSSELL SHEPARD, for instance).
you're asking a completely rhetorical question dude. of course i wouldn't want him to get hurt, but would i risk him getting hurt to potentially have a game breaker as a returner, absolutely. if you ant to baby our players, don't get mad when we lose games because of playing like pussies. after seeing RS drop some pretty elementary passes, i'm not sure how i feel about seeing him trying to field punts.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:41 pm to lsufball19
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you're making it sound as if the only acceptable person to have in the return game is a backup
I'm not saying that. I'm saying having a guy that's not only a starter but our BEST starter on possibly both sides of the ball at an inexperienced position outside of him is not a smart move in the return game especially when you could have other guys that are just as good if not better that are not an integral part of the offense or defense returning those kicks and punts.
Run on sentence but maybe you get my drift better there.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:42 pm to lsufball19
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the biggest hits happen to the coverage team, not the returner, unless he doesn't call a fair catch when he's supposed to. you know most people want the ball in the hands of they're biggest playmakers as much as possible, not limit their touches so they don't get hurt.
You are minimalizing the hits on return guys way too much. About once per a game they got their clock cleaned.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 6:43 pm to Milescb28
We need him on defense... Not special teams with a target on his head...
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