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re: Welter did not miss his assignment.

Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by mule74
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:58 pm to
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No one will even care because he is the defensive scape goat.


He's also not very good.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:04 pm to
I just rewatched the play. There was a corner and a safety, if debo commits inside and they dump it to the wr, which auburn will do, it's to the house. That play was on welter. Miles said so.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32067 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:11 pm to
Not agreeing or disagreeing with the op but that happens every week on here.

No one knows the responsibility of any player on most of the defensive sets so they just blame whoever is closest to the play
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:12 pm to
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Clearly Deion Jones missed the assignment to cover QB on TD run. It is man to man coverage on play with Welter covering running back. The coaches know that Welter is not Lightning quick so they put him on covering the man that would be the slowest to get started. Welter does spend time at the beginning of plays making sure players are in their correct locations, so he has a leadership position.


OK, Mrs. Welter
Posted by stegs_81
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:13 pm to

Bower said he was the one who blew the assignment in the post game. Had Welter gone with the play the QB would have handed the ball the back, and it would have been the same result.

This TD happened because Bower tried to get outside of the guy blocking him instead of plugging the hole.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Catman88
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:14 pm to
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Miles said so.



And I'm still not sure why nobody caught on to that statement.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36640 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:15 pm to
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I just rewatched the play. There was a corner and a safety, if debo commits inside and they dump it to the wr, which auburn will do, it's to the house. That play was on welter. Miles said so.
16, 32, and 26 (White, Collins, and Martin) are lined up over there. Martin (26) is the one who changes where Debo is playing and no one tells Welter as NMS snaps quickly.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:23 pm to
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Clearly Deion Jones missed the assignment to cover QB on TD run. It is man to man coverage on play with Welter covering running back. The coaches know that Welter is not Lightning quick so they put him on covering the man that would be the slowest to get started. Welter does spend time at the beginning of plays making sure players are in their correct locations, so he has a leadership position.


That is by far the dumbest thing I have ever seen on here. So you are telling me the MIDDLE linebackers' job is not to stop the run up the middle? So the other team sends a RB in the 4 hole and it's the MLBs job to chase him while the QB keeps it and runs through the 3 hole? No wonder we get so many long runs up the middle.

It the MLB's job to stop any run up the middle inside the tackles. Why is it none of the other LB's have this problem? Why do they consistently stop the RB in the hole for short gains but every damn long play is when Welter is in? I guess they are playing the position wrong and Welter is doing it right.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
84946 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:29 pm to
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So you think Jones needed to help the 3 men on the outside cover the receivers. Ya'll need to quit with the hate of one player.


Nobody hates you, DJ. You just can't play.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:32 pm to
Only person Welter was covering was the left guard.

Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:34 pm to
Can you screenshot that or something? I didn't notice a second corner on that side.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36640 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:38 pm to
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Can you screenshot that or something? I didn't notice a second corner on that side.
Sorry, have it DVR'd. My project for this week is to get the software to quickly put some gif's together so I don't have to strain the pro's who do it week in and week out on this board.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:38 pm to
You can see it on the ESPN highlight link.

But everyone on the WRs is in man coverage. Tre White is on the outside WR, Collins is on the middle WR, and Debo is on the inside WR. Martin is giving support over the top.

Still, Debo was in man coverage on the inside slot WR. It's absurd to think his responsibility was the QB when the ball is on the left hashmark and Debo is split out over a WR on the right hash.
Posted by Uncle Luke
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
439 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:56 pm to
The Middle Linebacker should make that play every time. Welter took one false step and was too slow to recover. He isnt an SEC caliber linebacker. Nothing against him personally, Just being honest. Beckwith should have been starting halfway through last year. If we are too stupid to line up correctly after watching film of the other teams offense all week then it is the teachers fault, not the students.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30816 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:17 pm to
miles said it was the MLB's fault
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28075 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:49 pm to
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Look Welter makes mistakes but so has all other players on defense. Why such hate for one player. Everybody says you shouldn't boo players but it's okay to write in on a screen. Seems to be a double standard on the Web.


We're you ok with the constant bashing of freak last year? Did you write post after post to defend his honor? What about Hatcher? What about Miles last year? What about Martin this year?
Posted by lsutothetop
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:55 pm to
So lemme get this straight...

It's Welter's job to make sure everyone is lined up properly and following their assignments.

Other players fail to follow their assignments more than occasionally, leading to defensive busts and long TDs.

Therefore... Welter's doing his job?
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 5:50 pm to
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miles said it was the MLB's fault

This.

And....



The ball was on the right hash, the 3 WRs were split out to the wide side.

Yall mean to tell me that Debo, the OLB that is split out over the slot WR in man coverage, responsibilty was the QB? Are yall for real?

The 2 CBs next to Debo were White and Collins, who were in man coverage on the other WRs. Martin was the FS and was their support over the top.

Mills was the SS and Louis was the other OLB. Since there was no WR split out to that side, Mills walked up close to the LOS and LL split out a little wider than normal. Because of LL being able to split out a bit wider, the DE to that side was able to slide inside a little more and be on the inside shoulder of the TE beause LL now has contain to that side. The DTs had gap control as usual, and Bower had wide side contain. Bower did go a little wide and ran up the field a little, which helped create a natural hole. He made a mistake on this play as well.

If they handed the ball off to the RB on the read option, LL would have contain to that side and Mills was there to help him in run support. If it was a pass, they have a zone to man responsibiity.... meaning since there is only 2 eligible pass catchers that could go out on that side (TE or RB), they would start out in a zone with Mills having deep zone and LL the flats, and if 1 of the TE or RB went into their zone, they would play it like man to man and stick with that guy, and the other would stick with the other guy.

So lets see... the only person whose responsibility I havent talked about would be Welters, and the only open area is the middle. And Welter is lined up in the middle. His responsibilty was the middle of the field. He failed in that. He bit on the little ball fake because he was looking in the backfield instead of looking at his reads. And he didnt just take a false step or whatever, he bit on the fake really bad and ran 2 gaps over. All the OL had to do was get in his way and the QB was gone, which is what happened.
Posted by broadcaster
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:03 pm to
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Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 6:52 pm to
to the OP:

quote:

Q. You only gave up one touchdown against New Mexico State, but it was an 80-yarder, right up the middle, the kind of plays that can worry people about Auburn and what they can do. What did you see on that play that happened?

COACH MILES: The linebacker should have fallen back in that seam and made that tackle. It was a pretty effective play call. Just, again, a mistake, based on not getting the call or based on the player not understanding the call, but we felt like we made improvement in that on the week. They were an up-tempo team and a team that would put pressure on you in terms of not huddling, and we felt like we improved but not necessarily on that play.


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