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re: Welcome home Jalen Courtney-Williams. Hired as new basketball assistant
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:16 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 4/19/24 at 6:16 am to The Pirate King
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MM turned Trae Hannibal into a legit SEC point guard. If that ain't development, I don't know what is
this guy…..so inconsistent with your coach hate 
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:43 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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but it's a stretch to say MM TURNED him into a legit SEC PG
No. It's not. He won us games this year. Also take note of the mid-season development of Mike Williams as well as the leap Ward and Reed made. But yet.....who didn't he develop?
Cam Hayes, East Carolina
7ppg
34% FG
25% 3pt
Adam Miller, Arizona State
12ppg
39% FG
30% 3pt
So you might have an arguement about his "talent evaluations" although I could argue we were taking anyone that would come here at that point, but I can point you several examples of players that left here and were still trash.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:16 pm to JWill409
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No. It's not. He won us games this year.
He also single handedly won us the Arkansas game last year.
Statistically speaking his stats in conference were extremely similar despite him playing out of position his first year here. Eye test wise he didn’t get much better at anything. Like I said he’s been a solid player. I think it’s pretty impressive to put up similar statistics despite playing out of position for almost an entire season. I will again reiterate he went in a game at PF because of his rebounding.
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Also take note of the mid-season development of Mike Williams
What it mid season development or was it Mike finally playing his proper position? He was a SG in high school.
I said he should play SG and have Hannibal play PG and was called retarded for it. Then they play those positions and it leads to some of our best basketball all year. Go figure.
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as well as the leap Ward and Reed made. But yet.....who didn't he develop?
Leap is a bit of a stretch
What “leap” did Reed make in his game? What about Ward?
Ward has always been a solid player but it’s hard to show it when you sit the bench and hardly play. Did Ward magically get better or was it that when he finally got a significant amount of playing time and touches that he got to show what he could do? I do think he improved but to say he took a leap is laughable.
As far as Reed, I do think he got a little better but he did not take a leap. He still has the same glaring issues in his game from last year. The mental game, motor, rebounding, and defensive ability are all questionable. I do think Baker played a part in this and we will have to see where we go in year 3 for both of those guys.
Also I think it’s funny you mention Adam Miller. My first post on TD was shitting on that guy. I’ve always thought he fricking sucks and I hated all the Wade crybabies acting like he was Kobe Bryant because Wade said he was doing good in practice and blaming McMahon for him playing poorly. The guy is just not that good.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:23 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Unfortunately, none of us got to see a healthy (pre major knee injury) Adam Miller in a Tiger uniform. I remember the comments by Wade on his quality were based on his preinjury play and potential. Maybe Wade did make comments on him after the injury, but I remember the expectations were based on his preinjury form.
I thought that Miller's jump shot post injury was flat. I wonder how much of that was due to less lift on his shot due to the leg injury.
I thought that Miller's jump shot post injury was flat. I wonder how much of that was due to less lift on his shot due to the leg injury.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:24 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
So... provide examples like I asked and not just excuses.
Again, who hasn't McMahon developed?? Since the guys that came here we already as good as they are now, and Hannibal was as good this year as he was last year according to your statement.
Mike Williams did not start to develop when they moved Hannibal to PG man. He started to shine vs SELA as a PG and Hannibal logged 7mins and didn't score. Williams was 5-7 from the field with 15 points and 4assists.
Had a rough game vs KState.
Followed up by Alcorn State, had another 15pt game on 6-10 shooting with 3asts and 2 steals. Hannibal had a great game off the bench.
I could go on, but his success started when Hannibal was barely playing, and once MM noticed he couldnt keep Hannibal off the floor, he had to put Hannibal there and slide Williams over off the ball because Hannibal is not an off guard.
Reed went from
3.9ppg on 39%fg 28% 3pt
to 7.9ppg on 51% fg and 39% from 3
Ward went from
3.7ppg on 34%fg and 34% from 3
to 9.1ppg on 44% fg and 41% from 3
That's not a leap?????? Ok..
Those numbers can do enough talking for me not to have to waste any more of my time giving you in depth detail.
Again, who hasn't McMahon developed?? Since the guys that came here we already as good as they are now, and Hannibal was as good this year as he was last year according to your statement.
Mike Williams did not start to develop when they moved Hannibal to PG man. He started to shine vs SELA as a PG and Hannibal logged 7mins and didn't score. Williams was 5-7 from the field with 15 points and 4assists.
Had a rough game vs KState.
Followed up by Alcorn State, had another 15pt game on 6-10 shooting with 3asts and 2 steals. Hannibal had a great game off the bench.
I could go on, but his success started when Hannibal was barely playing, and once MM noticed he couldnt keep Hannibal off the floor, he had to put Hannibal there and slide Williams over off the ball because Hannibal is not an off guard.
Reed went from
3.9ppg on 39%fg 28% 3pt
to 7.9ppg on 51% fg and 39% from 3
Ward went from
3.7ppg on 34%fg and 34% from 3
to 9.1ppg on 44% fg and 41% from 3
That's not a leap?????? Ok..
Those numbers can do enough talking for me not to have to waste any more of my time giving you in depth detail.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:10 pm to JWill409
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Reed went from
3.9ppg on 39%fg 28% 3pt
to 7.9ppg on 51% fg and 39% from 3
Ward went from
3.7ppg on 34%fg and 34% from 3
to 9.1ppg on 44% fg and 41% from 3
blindly throwing out statistics while completely ignoring the massive change in minutes per game for both of them as well as the massive increase in FGA for ward
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Those numbers can do enough talking for me not to have to waste any more of my time giving you in depth detail.
Breaking news: player plays more minutes and gets more touches and accumulates more stats
and again, i would like to restate i said development was LACKING. not that it was nonexistent. your contention is more so that i'm saying players haven't been developed at all. my stance is that they are seeing some development, but not enough to make you overly impressed at our coaching staff's ability to develop players.
my basis for this opinion is largely based in what i see on the court. many players have consistently been asked to do things or play a role that they are not fit for. what we see on the court is reflective of what goes on in practice. i promise there were multiple practice runs where mike was PG and trae was SG. it is hard to develop as a player when you are consistently playing out of position or asked to do things out of your skillset to fit a coach's scheme, rather than that coach adjusting his scheme to fit the strength of his players. are we going to forget that a ball dominant guard like cam hayes was playing SF for a large portion of his year at LSU? say what you want about his ability as a player but you are doing the kid ZERO favors by making him play as an off-ball wing. how is he developing the skills that lead to on court production when he's being asked to do things out of his skillset?
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He started to shine vs SELA as a PG and Hannibal logged 7mins and didn't score. Williams was 5-7 from the field with 15 points and 4assists.
You mean the game where we barely beat the 306th ranked Kenpom team by 7pts on our home court? I'm shaking in my boots.
Trae didn't score because that was back when the dogshit player that was Carlos Stewart was taking his minutes in the rotation. 17mins just to go 0-4 and score 0pts? Maybe if trae played his minutes the game would have been way less close.
Let's ignore a lot of the good games Mike had in conference playing SG against better competition.
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once MM noticed he couldnt keep Hannibal off the floor, he had to put Hannibal there and slide Williams over off the ball because Hannibal is not an off guard.
Wow so MM noticed something I noticed at the start of the year and got downvoted for? I'm some rantard and he gets paid millions.
"Hannibal is not an off guard"
Yet he played a frick ton of SG his first season at LSU and even went in a game at PF.
Mike is an off guard. Go watch his highlights from back in HS.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:34 pm
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