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Weary Legs
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:29 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:29 am
I noticed that one of Orgeron's immediate changes was shorter practices. I think Miles was an old-fashioned "work hard" kind of guy. His practices were long and hard. Maybe our guys had weary legs by the time Sat night rolled around.
This may sound like a minor thing, but it can have huge effects. Remember the old Oregon Ducks under Kelly - they looked faster and fresher than their opponent. They killed people in the 4th quarter. Obviously, some of that is conditioning that happens well before the season even starts, but Kelly was a master at resting his players and getting the best nutrition and it gave them an edge come gameday.
I don't have concern with LSU's overall conditioning, but I think a lot of "old school" coaches work their players too hard in the days before a game and they are leg weary. Bebe has been around more modern coaches than Miles was. I think he knew this and that's why he made that immediate change.
Nutrition and rest are really just as important as conditioning and strength. It shows up in little ways (especially late in games) that make a big difference. More modern coaches know this. Old dudes like Miles don't buy into it. Looks like maybe Orgeron saw this as an issue and changed it right away. He even mentioned it in his first press conference.
It'll be interesting to see if there are noticeable effects.
Thoughts?
This may sound like a minor thing, but it can have huge effects. Remember the old Oregon Ducks under Kelly - they looked faster and fresher than their opponent. They killed people in the 4th quarter. Obviously, some of that is conditioning that happens well before the season even starts, but Kelly was a master at resting his players and getting the best nutrition and it gave them an edge come gameday.
I don't have concern with LSU's overall conditioning, but I think a lot of "old school" coaches work their players too hard in the days before a game and they are leg weary. Bebe has been around more modern coaches than Miles was. I think he knew this and that's why he made that immediate change.
Nutrition and rest are really just as important as conditioning and strength. It shows up in little ways (especially late in games) that make a big difference. More modern coaches know this. Old dudes like Miles don't buy into it. Looks like maybe Orgeron saw this as an issue and changed it right away. He even mentioned it in his first press conference.
It'll be interesting to see if there are noticeable effects.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:35 am to Buda
I don't fully disagree but I will point out that Miles, in his only game against super smart and advanced Chip Kelly, whipped Oregons well rested team quite decisively. So let's not act like "old school" methods aren't effective all of a sudden just because the new guy is doing something different.
I can guarantee you that ole Nick Saban isn't picking the menu over in Tuscaloosa.
I can guarantee you that ole Nick Saban isn't picking the menu over in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:40 am to DrEdgeLSU
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I can guarantee you that ole Nick Saban isn't picking the menu over in Tuscaloosa.
I dont know about that. Didnt he hire a psychologist to study LSUs personnel before Disaster Night 2012?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:40 am to Buda
who knows. I doubt miles was as bad as dinardo.
dinardo ran his players dicks in the dirt to where they had no legs at times in games.
dinardo ran his players dicks in the dirt to where they had no legs at times in games.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:42 am to DrEdgeLSU
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I don't fully disagree but I will point out that Miles, in his only game against super smart and advanced Chip Kelly, whipped Oregons well rested team quite decisively. So let's not act like "old school" methods aren't effective all of a sudden just because the new guy is doing something different.
I can guarantee you that ole Nick Saban isn't picking the menu over in Tuscaloosa.
Yes, he did, BUT that was the first game of the year and I really feel that it set the tone for the whole season due to the focus on conditioning leading into that game.
I think Miles should have learned from that experience and prepared that way other years, but it really does look like he wore his players down as the year goes on.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:00 am to Buda
Conditioning happens in the off-season......period.
Its a great idea.
Its a great idea.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:02 am to Fat Bastard
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who knows. I doubt miles was as bad as dinardo. dinardo ran his players dicks in the dirt to where they had no legs at times in games.
Hallman was the world's worst. That fricking Junction Boys bullshite.....
Who runs their team 20-110yd sprints the SUNDAY after a game? Full pads on Thursday for over 3 hours......fricking idiot.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:02 am to Buda
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His practices were long and hard
Know what else is long and ha....
Sorry, couldn't resist. Now I am ashamed. Carry on. Good thread.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:04 am to CharlesLSU
yep conditioning happens in spring and summer. Also nothing wrong with a good physical spring. However it does appear since 1/9/12 les doubled down on just executing and being more physical. I think this leads to more inefficient and physical practices in season.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:16 am to heartbreakTiger
Really surprised Coach O didn't fire Moffit.
Moffit was highly respected in the business but times have passed him by.
Moffit was highly respected in the business but times have passed him by.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:17 am to Nix to Twillie
Dammit... 
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:25 am to Mudminnow
Ive been big on the fire Moffit train and back up the brinks truck to bring scottie home.
However, with this revelation coming out that we are having these stupid physical ineffective practices and not using film study to find weakness than we might still be ok with Tommy.
However, with this revelation coming out that we are having these stupid physical ineffective practices and not using film study to find weakness than we might still be ok with Tommy.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:30 am to Buda
You mentioned conditioning. I am wondering if Moffitt wasn't on a shorter leash due to extended practices. Would explain why our guys get pushed around a lot.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:31 am to Buda
I can see that being relevant. miles knew his job was on the line and the only thing he knew to do was work harder. firing CC and getting a good OC was not an option.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:39 am to TaderSalad
Moffitt was not the issue Miles worked them to hard during the season and before games. Just listen to how the kids responded to Coach O saying they would cut that and study film more. Miles was old school
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