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re: We often forget
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:18 pm to metalwood1
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:18 pm to metalwood1
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Just because you are 18 and serving in the military doesn't mean you are a man
As a 32 year old member of the military and a person who daily leads these 18 year old "men" i can tell you that by law 18 is a man...but most are not adults! most are scared, naive, confused, and straight off of mommas tit!
These young men still need guidance and support. the point the original poster was making is that at 18-23 these "young men" are carrying the weight of all of you so called fans on their shoulders. They deserve your support if you are a true fan...not booing, bitching, and in some cases punching them when they make mistakes. For those of you who think you could have handled what Lee did last year, or JJ has this year or any other college kid who has had to take a ration of shite from a fan because of a mistake in a "game" and it is a game! And don't throw the crap around about how they go to school for free! So does the kid with an academic scholarship...but he doesn't get booed when he can't figure out a math problem! Stop being a bunch of douche nozzles and wish the KIDS luck and support win or lose!
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:24 pm to Navtiger1
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Navtiger1
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:27 pm to Navtiger1
I started college at 18 but I certainly wasn't a "man". I had some growing pains my freshman year trying to get adjusted to living on my own. Hell, I'm 29 and I'm still learning stuff.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:33 pm to Krypto
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We too often forget that these "men" on the football field are still just kids. Reading the article on the home page about Peterson being the Disney tourguide reminded me of that. Sometimes we just need to sit back, forget about all the bitching and whining for a bit, and remember that these kids are out there giving there all for our entertainment / enjoyment. Heres to not only a successful bowl game for the tigers, but also to them enjoying the experience and getting all they can out of it!
You are exactly right. We tailgate in the parking lot where the players park their cars. The lot is right beside the practice field in Tuscaloosa. After the game they usually all come and hang out and sign autographs for the kids. A lot of them will come by the tailgate and eat or just hang out and watch other football games with us and during the year you become freinds with some of them.
When they hang out like that it is easy to see that they are just big kids. They laugh and cut up like kids. Some of these kids are living a dream and can't imagine that anything like what they are experiencing could have ever happened in their life. I have seen some of them come into our bus and look around and you can tell that they have never seen anything like that in their life.
Can you imagine what Disney world must look like to some of these kids that have never been anywhere in their life? any bowl experience is great for the football team and it is something they will remember for the rest of their life.
We should be appreciative of their effort. I don't know about most of you but I loved football and was just not good enough to play in college. I would give anything to have been given the opportunity to play for any division I program, so good for them.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:37 pm to Stromile Swift
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Hell, I'm 29 and I'm still learning stuff.
I think what many are missing is that, we are always learning stuff. When do you figure out life and know everything? Now this doesnt make you a man per say, but putting a specific age on when someone becomes a "man" is not possible.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:41 pm to MoreOrLes
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If anybody that thinks an 18 year old is a man is obviously a person who is a kid himself.
While true legally an adult at 18 rarely if ever is an 18 year old the same person he or she will be at 27 or 35.
Make no mistake having the body of a man does not make you one.
Good thing yall were born at the end of last century and not anytime before that. Most cultures you were a man by the time you were 13 or 14. I'd hate to see you in 1800s. Another reminder America is full of, well, you get the picture.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:43 pm to GhostofJackson
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Most cultures you were a man by the time you were 13 or 14.
Are these young men constantly scrutinized by the national/local media, message boards, etc. It's like comparing apples and oranges IMO.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:47 pm to Stromile Swift
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Are these young men constantly scrutinized by the national/local media, message boards, etc. It's like comparing apples and oranges IMO.
They were too busy doing things like finding a job and raising a family. Childish stuff I guess compared to being on national TV and being a few years away from making multiple times in a year what the average person makes in a lifetime.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:47 pm to GhostofJackson
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Most cultures you were a man by the time you were 13 or 14.
They also died by the age of 50! Society has changed drasticly and mentaly at 13-14 they are not capable of being adults. Just because a society judged them adults 200 years ago doesn't make them adults. they also thought the world was flat and that stars were holes in the blancket over the earth.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:50 pm to GhostofJackson
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They were too busy doing things like finding a job and raising a family. Childish stuff I guess compared to being on national TV and being a few years away from making multiple times in a year what the average person makes in a lifetime.
Both my grandfather and great grandfather served our country in the military, but they certainly weren't rasing a family at age 13. In our culture, when was it normal for 13-14 year olds to raise a family?
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few years away from making multiple times in a year what the average person makes in a lifetime.
What percentage of college football players go on to make this kind of money? Not many.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 2:52 pm to Navtiger1
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They also died by the age of 50! Society has changed drasticly and mentaly at 13-14 they are not capable of being adults. Just because a society judged them adults 200 years ago doesn't make them adults. they also thought the world was flat and that stars were holes in the blancket over the earth.
No shite. There were also slaves back then so we know those people were fricking idiots. A 13 or 14 year old is not a man no matter what is expected of him in his society.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:01 pm to Krypto
A lot of these "kids" have fathered children of their own. I wouldn't say they're kids.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:02 pm to BamaScoop
It seems some people are arguing manhood as physical maturation and others such as myself as decision making. Like another poster said, there are kids who are 16 and kids who are 40. I guess thats why this argument isn't working because people are arguing different things.
Anyway I'll end this post with a good line from one of my favorite artists: I realized I was a man when the headline read "19 year old man dead".
Anyway I'll end this post with a good line from one of my favorite artists: I realized I was a man when the headline read "19 year old man dead".
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:02 pm to OFWHAP
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A lot of these "kids" have fathered children of their own. I wouldn't say they're kids.
So have some 12 year olds...doesn't make them adults
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:04 pm to OFWHAP
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A lot of these "kids" have fathered children of their own. I wouldn't say they're kids.
Yeah, this just screams maturity. So, if a 13 year old boy has a kid then he's a "man"?
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:05 pm to BamaScoop
The average college student has more freedom than at anytime in your life. You don't have to go to class, you have lots of party time, you may have a job or two to help defray costs, most at LSU are on TOPS which makes it a little easier. You can choose to study or not or put a lot into it or nothing at all.
A college football player has a lot more on his plate than the average college student. True, they can choose to buy in or make life difficult on the coaches by testing them along the way. They have to go to class as they are checked by academic advisors and reported on to coaches. They have a full time job in football for which even though they are getting a free education, which they choose to take advantage of or not, are not getting paid what they provide to LSU and the SEC. They risk significant injury in a 4/5 year career for which the payoff for a few is a nice NFL career but for the majority is their fleeting glory in college. They are scrutinized more than ever by the internet, television and all other forms of media that watch their every move. In the end, most would say it was a rewarding experience that most of us would die to have just one Saturday in the fall!
A college football player has a lot more on his plate than the average college student. True, they can choose to buy in or make life difficult on the coaches by testing them along the way. They have to go to class as they are checked by academic advisors and reported on to coaches. They have a full time job in football for which even though they are getting a free education, which they choose to take advantage of or not, are not getting paid what they provide to LSU and the SEC. They risk significant injury in a 4/5 year career for which the payoff for a few is a nice NFL career but for the majority is their fleeting glory in college. They are scrutinized more than ever by the internet, television and all other forms of media that watch their every move. In the end, most would say it was a rewarding experience that most of us would die to have just one Saturday in the fall!
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:06 pm to GhostofJackson
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there are kids who are 16 and kids who are 40. I guess thats why this argument isn't working because people are arguing different things.
Agreed, pretty complex subject to debate considering there are so many angles.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:22 pm to Stromile Swift
I agree with the original poster's intent. These are still young men and deserve consideration based on that. Nevertheless, referring to them as kids is not something a person of that age wants to be thought as or is the most accurate description.
The definition of a kid is a child or young person. Most people refer to kids as being children in their early teens or younger. College football players are young men. Kids is just not an accurate term.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:23 pm to Krypto
Hopefully these guys are giving there all because in turn a school is giving them a free education to do so. Not our entertainment. However they are kids and constructive critism is part of growing up. The rant is by no means constructive critism. I imagine if they read these boards it's for a good laugh or they are thinking these old guys are nutz.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 3:26 pm to SJTiger
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Kids is just not an accurate term.
It's semantics...some old people still call a 50 year old a kid. What ever the hell you want to call them kids, children, young adults, adults...they deserve respect and fan support, especially considering they are doing something most of us wish we could and that 99% of the people on this board could Never do.
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