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We are in the "offensive era" of college football
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:27 pm
When was the last DC that was recognized as being the main cog in a championship season? Venables? Saban?(de-facto DC. Truth is...Jake Peetz will be far and away the most important coach on staff next year. Our DC hire is not irrelevant but its certainly not like hiring DC's in the 90's.
We outscored everyone we played in '19. Bama did the same this year. That will be the winning formula for the foreseeable future. The most important part of the defensive side of the ball will be getting enough stops and turnovers in the games you are playing a comparable offense. Look at Ole Miss. As long as Kiffen is there, they will have a chance to outscore everyone they play. He just doesn't have enough playmakers on D and really never has.
Venables is widely considered to be the best DC in CFB. He can't stop the great offenses with scheme either. I hope we get a young motivator that can recruit. We don't need another Venables. Pellini had zero motivational skills this time around. He lost his fire. Peetz and his staff will be the reason we win another championship, if we do however. O needs to keep bringing in top talent and stay out of the way.
We outscored everyone we played in '19. Bama did the same this year. That will be the winning formula for the foreseeable future. The most important part of the defensive side of the ball will be getting enough stops and turnovers in the games you are playing a comparable offense. Look at Ole Miss. As long as Kiffen is there, they will have a chance to outscore everyone they play. He just doesn't have enough playmakers on D and really never has.
Venables is widely considered to be the best DC in CFB. He can't stop the great offenses with scheme either. I hope we get a young motivator that can recruit. We don't need another Venables. Pellini had zero motivational skills this time around. He lost his fire. Peetz and his staff will be the reason we win another championship, if we do however. O needs to keep bringing in top talent and stay out of the way.
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Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:37 pm to GarTiger
I don’t believe this to be true at all.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:37 pm to GarTiger
quote:
When was the last DC that was recognized as being the main cog in a championship season? Venables?
So 2018?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:40 pm to dstone12
Well care to share what you believe is true?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:40 pm to SammyTiger
Yeah... that was SOOOOO long ago...
Fact is, if we give up 700 yards a game, our offense putting up 600 yards doesnt really matter.
Fact is, if we give up 700 yards a game, our offense putting up 600 yards doesnt really matter.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:47 pm to dstone12
The last 7 CFBNCG avg score has been 41-26. '18 is the only losing team that scored less than 20 pts. It's all about offense and I believe the stats bear this out.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:51 pm to Fontee
The point of my post(maybe poorly worded) is that the profile of a DC that can help you win championships has changed dramatically. The days of Bud Foster are over. You do need a guy who is proficient with X's and O's but the defensive "wiz kids" are getting their butts handed to them these days by the Sark's/Kiffen' of the world. OC is now the most important assistant coach on any staff.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:51 pm to GarTiger
Sure.
You need scheme and talent.
To say that it’s talent, only, when pelini didn’t even recruit one class is crazy.
If it is indeed about talent only, and we lost 16 starts from 2019 then on top of that we lost 2020 players in
Stingley
TK McClendon
N. Farrell
Nelson Jenkins
Donte Starks
Ika
Shelvin
Ray Parker
Kary Vincent
Why would you fire the guy? He HAD NO TALENT.
Fine. Let Orgeron or BDP coach the defense. Right? You’re basically giving g up on a coordinator position with a sour grapes persona.
Furthermore, to say aranda didn’t win the 2019 auburn game by 3 is nuts as well.
Defensive coordinators are just as important as the 90/“s or any decade because you can’t enjoy getting into who-scores-last-wins games.
quote:
He can't stop the great offenses with scheme either. I hope we get a young motivator that can recruit.
You need scheme and talent.
To say that it’s talent, only, when pelini didn’t even recruit one class is crazy.
If it is indeed about talent only, and we lost 16 starts from 2019 then on top of that we lost 2020 players in
Stingley
TK McClendon
N. Farrell
Nelson Jenkins
Donte Starks
Ika
Shelvin
Ray Parker
Kary Vincent
Why would you fire the guy? He HAD NO TALENT.
quote:
Our DC hire is not irrelevant but its certainly not like hiring DC's in the 90's.
Fine. Let Orgeron or BDP coach the defense. Right? You’re basically giving g up on a coordinator position with a sour grapes persona.
Furthermore, to say aranda didn’t win the 2019 auburn game by 3 is nuts as well.
Defensive coordinators are just as important as the 90/“s or any decade because you can’t enjoy getting into who-scores-last-wins games.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:57 pm to dstone12
Right. Let me ask you this...do you think a guy like Freeman would've gotten more out of our group than Pellini? Do you think it is because he knows schemes better than Pellini or that he would just be able to get more out of the same guys that shut down on Pellini? I get what your saying and don't totally disagree. I just think, as I mentioned above, the best DC's in CFB are now getting their schemes destroyed by the best OC's. DC in the 90's was the most important assistant on a staff most times. I believe it's now, by far, it's the OC.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:58 pm to GarTiger
I mean, maybe so, but your defense can't be THAT bad.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:03 pm to GarTiger
quote:No
Right. Let me ask you this...do you think a guy like Freeman would've gotten more out of our group than Pellini?
quote:I can’t answer that because I really don’t know who (that was left) shut down on him or was it Orgeron.
Do you think it is because he knows schemes better than Pellini or that he would just be able to get more out of the same guys that shut down on Pellini
quote:don’t go throwing your hands up in the air on “any dc will do” when you need the best one you can get to shave 5-8 points off these marathons.
I believe it's now, by far, the OC.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:04 pm to sicboy
One thing Dstone mentioned above that I do feel was a big factor for Pellini was his lack of talent/depth. What ended him was that his players showed blatant dislike for him on sidelines and he got a rep within the staff for being lazy. Pellini knows defensive football...he just retired on the job and he got fired. I think from a motivation standpoint alone, this same group would've been 5-7 ppg better than they were.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:09 pm to GarTiger
quote:
The last 7 CFBNCG avg score has been 41-26
Holding teams to 26 has something tk do with a dc. I will give you the talent angle, though.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:09 pm to dstone12
quote:
“any dc will do
Dstone...I'm saying that the paradigm has shifted on what a "good" DC looks like. We will just agree to disagree on whether motivation played a role in how this thing fell off the cliff with Bo. I agree his talent was lacking but I also think there was enough talent to keep from getting totally smoked wek in-week out. They quit on him and didn't respect him.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:14 pm to GarTiger
quote:im not that connected
One thing Dstone mentioned above that I do feel was a big factor for Pellini was his lack of talent/depth. What ended him was that his players showed blatant dislike for him on sidelines and he got a rep within the staff for being lazy.
To know that he was known for being lazy.
I can take you to my small corner of knowledge.
If 2020 never happened and he was the first time DC in 2021 and the wokeness/lockerrom issues were never around, he would not be on his couch counting 4mm in 2022.
This was a severely fricked up year and we tossed him....and paid him 4mm to leave.
We are having a slight issue replacing him, and I have tk wonder how many DCs are asking themselves if LSU is a place where they can make mistakes in their first year.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 7:39 pm to GarTiger
Outscoring your opponent is easier when they score fewer points. Even one more stop per game is enough to turn a game. LSU had 4 games within one score this year.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:26 pm to GarTiger
quote:
I don’t believe this to be true at all.
Then you haven’t been following college football. Saban alluded to this fact. He said you don’t see great defenses anymore.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:46 pm to da prophet
quote:
Then you haven’t been following college football. Saban alluded to this fact. He said you don’t see great defenses anymore.
I've been watching it for decades, and yes saban said it.
To think that offense has taken over would be a correct statement.
To think that you can hire a top 30 dc and have him perform just as well as a top 5 dc would be incorrect.
Take, well, Bo Pelini and his DC position. Just how important was he? Important enough to get fired within 10 months and now we have our own coach getting ridiculed by this board for speaking out too much, while not delivering the goods.
This hire is big. Any coordinator job SHOULD BE.
I don't think neilson, freeman, pruitt or venables could have come in and corrected what happened in 2020. It was, in fact a talent issue. But come clean and also admit, or don't, that there was an issue with respect to coaches. No one can coach that.
quote:Tell me how good his DC is and I can help you better with how many people he will outscore.
As long as Kiffen is there, they will have a chance to outscore everyone they play.
I am betting that Gar could say that I am totally missing the point of the OP....i am fine with that.
I am just extrapolating that he posted it because we are looking for a DC....missed on a couple....and it may not be that big of a deal.
I say it's a big deal. Sean Payton thought it was too.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:16 pm to GarTiger
quote:This is so got damn ignorant. Bama was an all world offense in a crappy YEAR for defense. It's funny that people think defenses will stay that bad for more than one year. Unless covid destroys prep time again, defenses will, at the very least, be back to 2018-2019 levels. You still need defense to win championships. Clemson doesn't play anybody all year so them getting blown out by a top team is not a shocker. Kelly at Notre Dame realized this, and O now knows this as well.
When was the last DC that was recognized as being the main cog in a championship season? Venables? Saban?(de-facto DC. Truth is...Jake Peetz will be far and away the most important coach on staff next year. Our DC hire is not irrelevant but its certainly not like hiring DC's in the 90's.
We outscored everyone we played in '19. Bama did the same this year. That will be the winning formula for the foreseeable future. The most important part of the defensive side of the ball will be getting enough stops and turnovers in the games you are playing a comparable offense. Look at Ole Miss. As long as Kiffen is there, they will have a chance to outscore everyone they play. He just doesn't have enough playmakers on D and really never has.
Venables is widely considered to be the best DC in CFB. He can't stop the great offenses with scheme either. I hope we get a young motivator that can recruit. We don't need another Venables. Pellini had zero motivational skills this time around. He lost his fire. Peetz and his staff will be the reason we win another championship, if we do however. O needs to keep bringing in top talent and stay out of the way.
The whole reason we won and looked so great down the stretch in 2019 was because our defense caught up with our offense. We made our last 4 opponents look like nobodies because we could beat their arse offensively and shut them down defensively. Prior to that all you knuckleheads were having asthma attacks over games like Texas, Bama, and Ole Miss. We beat Ole Miss by 20, but all anybody could talk about was the defense. Same vs Vandy where we beat them by damn near 30!
So shut the hell up because you and many others will be ready to burn the house down if we gave up 30+ per game even if we scored 40+ (which would put us in the top 15).
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:26 pm to GarTiger
quote:Cincinnati, with far less talent than SEC schools, held UGA to 24 points after UGA scored;
Right. Let me ask you this...do you think a guy like Freeman would've gotten more out of our group than Pellini? Do you think it is because he knows schemes better than Pellini or that he would just be able to get more out of the same guys that shut down on Pellini? I get what your saying and don't totally disagree. I just think, as I mentioned above, the best DC's in CFB are now getting their schemes destroyed by the best OC's. DC in the 90's was the most important assistant on a staff most times. I believe it's now, by far, it's the OC.
24 @ Bama
27 vs Auburn
28 vs UF
31 vs Miss St
44 vs Tennessee
45 @ USCe
49 @ Mizzu
UGA wasn't missing a single offensive player and their QB coming into the game was averaging over 300 yards and 3 TDs per game over his first 3 starts. He threw for nearly 400 yards and nearly 69% vs Cincinnati, but the bend don't break, kept the scoring WAY down.
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