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re: Was Les really ready to let Crowton go last year but not allowed?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 8:23 pm to LSUMafia
Posted on 10/31/10 at 8:23 pm to LSUMafia
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drumdog, if there is anything we learned from the other night, it's that pretty soon you'll see OBUDan claim he's drunk posting and meaning he's not stating facts when he states "Such and such IS...."
Right, and if there's anything we've learned about you it's that as soon as your pathetic arguments don't hold up, you have to call upon another person's equally poor arguments to make yourself feel better.
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He just told me that Mettenberger is going to get a fair shot at the starting job next season if he comes despite Miles' history of almost always not making changes with a new player over a vet at the same position with his only offensive example being Shepard playing as 3rd WR in his second year.
Let's put it this way.
You have a couple scenarios for this season to play.
A) If LSU doesn't improve offensively, we lose 2, maybe 3 more games. That means Les will be on the hot seat, that means major changes will have to be made, which means he'll be fighting to keep his job.
B) The offense improves so the need for Mettenberger is lessened.
or
C) The offense doesn't improve yet will still somehow win the last few games, which is the least likely of the three, I'd say.
There's plenty of young players playing right now... I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you seem to ignore anything factual, but so it is.
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Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:35 pm to OBUDan
I don't ignore facts at all. You actually think Les is going to hand the keys to the offense over to a player that is inexperienced and entirely new to the offense over two senior QBs.
Again, you claim Lee is bad, yet we haven't seen enough of him to make this claim whatsoever, ergo not a fact. For JJ we have and Miles has refused to bench him despite his awful play for another JR QB that has shown flashes of moving the offense well.
In the end, LSU has lots of young players, but they aren't showing much development especially at QB. I hope they develop well, the team wins, and the offense clicks, but again, you are expecting Miles to do a 180 on his stance with QBs.
In the end, you think playing skill position players and DL early is the same as QBs, but they are completely different. Again, Les only played Lee out of necessity. Same with JJ. In both cases they took over after injuries to the starter they backed up.
Again, you claim Lee is bad, yet we haven't seen enough of him to make this claim whatsoever, ergo not a fact. For JJ we have and Miles has refused to bench him despite his awful play for another JR QB that has shown flashes of moving the offense well.
In the end, LSU has lots of young players, but they aren't showing much development especially at QB. I hope they develop well, the team wins, and the offense clicks, but again, you are expecting Miles to do a 180 on his stance with QBs.
In the end, you think playing skill position players and DL early is the same as QBs, but they are completely different. Again, Les only played Lee out of necessity. Same with JJ. In both cases they took over after injuries to the starter they backed up.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:42 pm to LSUMafia
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Why do people think Les will start a brand new player at the position only in the system for less than a year when he won't put a kid in the system for 4 years in over Jefferson on a continuous basis?
If Miles wasn't looking for someone to come in and play early, barring injury, then he wouldn't be recruiting a JUCO QB. If you are going to wait a few years before starting a new QB, you go get a high school QB.
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Saban has shown propensity to play QB musical chairs more than Miles
You act like that's a good thing.
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Look at the Rohan/Booty and Randall/Russell QB shuffles.
So Rohan and Russell, who were beter QBs then Booty and Randall, should have rotated a lot? Sounds like the same system we have now.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:47 pm to south bama tiger
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If Miles wasn't looking for someone to come in and play early, barring injury, then he wouldn't be recruiting a JUCO QB. If you are going to wait a few years before starting a new QB, you go get a high school QB.
Wrong, but I am sure you can't see past the fact Mettenberger will have 3 to play 3 and both our current QBs will be SRs. Les and company could easily and wisely looking to having a QB ready for 2012 when we'll either have to start a RS Freshman or a RS JR in Mettenberger. Makes sense. I seriously doubt Les is looking for a savior for next year. If coaches are relying on that, then we are in trouble. Look what happened to Auburn just two years back when Todd was their savior.
Mett may be a great QB, but he's not bring to the table what Cam Newton does in size and running threat.
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You act like that's a good thing.
"Look at the Rohan/Booty and Randall/Russell QB shuffles."
So Rohan and Russell, who were beter QBs then Booty and Randall, should have rotated a lot? Sounds like the same system we have now
I didn't mean this to sound like it was a good thing strategically. I meant it to say that Saban has shown that he will bench players for younger inexperienced guys like he did in both situations. Mett would likely get more of a fair shake to start next year in Bama than here based on that.
That does NOT mean he will start there over here, but that history shows he has a better shot given the coaches.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:15 am to Shaka Zulu
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.i assure you this guy has lost more intelligence through older age than you ever had to begin with....he has a fricking economics degree from one of the best business schools in america
B-schools don't give economics degrees.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:18 am to tirebiter
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but if Crowton truly had a game changing dual threat at QB
I guess the No.1 one in the country wasn't good enough.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:32 am to Chicken
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Mafia, my guess is that Les wanted a new OC, but couldn't find a candidate that he felt comfortable with...then he figured that he would give Gary one more chance with the struggling QB's that would be juniors.
I have been told that at least two candidates were interviewed/vetted by Miles last year...
To me, this does not improve the view of Miles.
This meant that he realized there was a serious problem. And he simply could not get the job done.
Arguably, there were at least 100 OCs that performed better than Gary Crowton last year. And Crowton had more talent to work with than most of them.
And out of those, he could only interview 2???
MIles then decided to gamble the entire 2010 season, that Crowton was somehow going to be able to reinvent himself this year.
He gambled and he should pay. He was free to blame last year on Crowton, but this year is on him.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:12 am to LSUMafia
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Again, you claim Lee is bad, yet we haven't seen enough of him to make this claim whatsoever, ergo not a fact.
Actually, I never claimed this at all. In response to you questioning Miles for not starting Lee I proposed that maybe he realizes Lee isn't any better than JJ... which his last two performances, after teams actually got tape on him, give us reason to believe he may be exactly right...
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In the end, you think playing skill position players and DL early is the same as QBs, but they are completely different.
Right, QBs and OL/DL are generally the position it takes the most time to see the field. QBs because you want experience, OL/DL because most guys need to reform their bodies.
ZM will have experience... he's not coming into the program green and as another poster noted, if Les was really going to "wait" then he may as well just grab some other HS guys... We need a QB, as far as I can remember, our interest in Mett kicked up further once the season started... he'll be given a shot to win the job. Whether he gets it or not, I don't know.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:48 pm to OBUDan
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Miles did not want to let Crowton go.... Crowton was considering leaving and was ask to stay...i know this to be a fact!
All I can tell you is the FACTS of the matter were, Coach Miles looked at a handful of replacements and yes he did speak to them. Was it a "formal" interview, probably not? Did he speak to 2-3 of them several times...Yes...Did he want to replace Crowton...YES...
Why it didn't happen, I don't know the exact details.
Do I think he's gone this year...Yes Probably...but like I've said before things can change. I know most of you think things are so Black/White, but they aren't. Humans have this crazy ability to change their minds, I know some of you don't comprehend that, but it does happen.
Chicken knows who I am and knows EXACTLY where my informtion comes from and we'll just leave it at that. Believe me or not, that's your call and I could care less.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:55 pm to belowpar
Ok, having reviewed these posts,let me see if I can summarize:
Several posters have identified the offense and the OC, in particular, as a potential soft spot.
We are in agreement to continue to moniter the situation over the next couple of seasons to see if there is an issue there.
Right?
Several posters have identified the offense and the OC, in particular, as a potential soft spot.
We are in agreement to continue to moniter the situation over the next couple of seasons to see if there is an issue there.
Right?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:17 pm to Boudreaux in SF
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Maybe not by simple minded LSU fans, but by the coaching community, he is well respected.
I don't know who respects who and who doesn't, but if winning almost 80% of your games while playing in the SEC, having the 2nd best SEC W-L record over the past 5 seasons and 8 games, having 2 west titles, an SEC title, NR of #1, #3, #6, #17, a current #11, and a NC can't gain respect, then those disrespectful are just being mentally challenged jerks.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 2:43 pm to belowpar
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Miles did not want to let Crowton go.... Crowton was considering leaving and was ask to stay...i know this to be a fact!
This is so sad.
Not only does Miles interfere with Crowton's playcalling.
But when Crowton wanted to do the right thing and resign, Miles overrode him on that too.
Hopefully, Crowton will win the argument this year and convince MIles to do what he couldn't last year.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 11/1/10 at 5:48 pm to willeteal
Let me set the record straight. GC wants to be a head coach. Last year it looked like he was going to get either a west coast job or the job at LaTech. This is the only reason Miles was interviewing OC possibilities. While they differ on who should be the QB they otherwise are Very good friends. GC is a very good OC but when you can only use 20% of your playbook, it takes alot away from your play calling.
Belowpar is a very reliable source on here and when he says something, there is some substance to it even if it doesn't come true. I have been in the car with LM for 12 hours at a time on recruiting trips and he has said things to me that never panned out as far as coaches were concerned. So if belowpar tells you he sees smoke then there is fire somewhere.
Will GC be here next year? My guess would be yes, but pressure from boosters could make LM make a change. Money is no problem even if they wanted to buy LM out, and even though the money doesn't come from the school, how can you lay off teachers due to lack of funds yet buy out a coach and make the administration happy.
Belowpar is a very reliable source on here and when he says something, there is some substance to it even if it doesn't come true. I have been in the car with LM for 12 hours at a time on recruiting trips and he has said things to me that never panned out as far as coaches were concerned. So if belowpar tells you he sees smoke then there is fire somewhere.
Will GC be here next year? My guess would be yes, but pressure from boosters could make LM make a change. Money is no problem even if they wanted to buy LM out, and even though the money doesn't come from the school, how can you lay off teachers due to lack of funds yet buy out a coach and make the administration happy.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:57 pm to vegas4LSU
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GC wants to be a head coach. Last year it looked like he was going to get either a west coast job or the job at LaTech. This is the only reason Miles was interviewing OC possibilities.
You sure it wasn't one of those deals where Miles was trying to find him a job? See see the exit of Malleveto in 2008 if you don't know what I mean.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:05 pm to LSUMafia
i told les to keep gary.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 12:55 am to Doc Fenton
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I think Miles was testing the waters for a new OC last winter, but for whatever reason didn't think he could find a good enough replacement (similar to the Pelini situation after the 2007 season), and so decided to make the move for Billy Gonzalez instead, hoping that would fix things.
Having a "Passing Game Coordinator" AND an "Offensive Coordinator" is asinine. It's basically Co-Offensive Coordinators and has produced the same results as Co-DC's.
Post Halloween, I don't know what's more horrifying to think about: The Mallveto defensive monster or the Crowzales offensive monster that were both created, fed, nurtured and kept alive by Dr.Milesenstein.......
Posted on 11/3/10 at 2:57 pm to belowpar
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All I can tell you is the FACTS of the matter were, Coach Miles looked at a handful of replacements and yes he did speak to them. Was it a "formal" interview, probably not? Did he speak to 2-3 of them several times...Yes...Did he want to replace Crowton...YES...
Why it didn't happen, I don't know the exact details.
Do I think he's gone this year...Yes Probably...but like I've said before things can change. I know most of you think things are so Black/White, but they aren't. Humans have this crazy ability to change their minds, I know some of you don't comprehend that, but it does happen.
Chicken knows who I am and knows EXACTLY where my informtion comes from and we'll just leave it at that. Believe me or not, that's your call and I could care less.
<<<"covering my arse for being wrong">>> "covering my arse for being wrong"Posted on 11/3/10 at 3:19 pm to lsugang
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All I can tell you is the FACTS of the matter were, Coach Miles looked at a handful of replacements and yes he did speak to them. Was it a "formal" interview, probably not? Did he speak to 2-3 of them several times...Yes...Did he want to replace Crowton...YES...
do you feel better about yourself??
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