re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future

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sonoma8

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You and me both.

You have to get the passing games confidence up. They know they can do it, but if your forcing them to make plays because you run the ball to dam much and they are in a hole... it makes it 100x harder and the pressure is extreme. Sling the rock more, spread out the defense...then run it down their throat!!! Because I promise you, another game like this.... Teams like Bama will destroy us!

My other concern is... WHO IN THE HELL WAS THE SPY ON PRESCOTT??? Its basically the same gameplan for a Tebow-ish type player. That was just horrible.

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Les has a higher winning percentage with his own players than any other LSU coach has had with his own players.

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I've read a lot of this thread, but this is what I keep coming back to.

People's beef with Miles is that he doesn't win enough games with all of the talent he has on the field. However, no one takes into consideration that a MAJOR part of college coaching in its current climate is recruiting.

Like a few people said earlier, when things go bad, Miles' teams usually rally. They rally around each other. They rally around him. Players want to come to LSU and they love to play for Les.

The idea that Saban built some "fence" around the state, and that Miles simply has to sit there and watch the talent come in each year with each recruiting class is very misguided. Recruiting has more exposure than ever; both the recruits themselves and the schools they are targeting. It's the day and age we live in. High school kids can watch any team they want on TV, they can make a million visits, and the fan focus on it is way higher than it was even just 15 years ago.

Why does Miles not get credit for pulling in top 10 recruiting classes every single year, over and over again. Is he supposed to just because it's LSU? If your answer is yes, then why are schools like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee down and out right now? Don't they have the same advantages that LSU has, or in some cases even more?

Yes, Miles is quirky and makes a lot of in-game mistakes. And yes, his players bail him out sometimes. But they're his players that he got to come here. The credit for that never seems to be given by the "he loses too many games for all the talent he has" crowd.

LSU has lost 4 regular season games once in Miles' tenure at LSU. In that same time frame, Auburn has lost four games 5 times, including two losing seasons where they weren't bowl eligible. Florida? 3 times, including one losing season. Georgia? 4 times. Tennessee? A whopping 7 times, with FIVE seasons where they weren't bowl eligible.

If you live your life comparing LSU football to Alabama (and Miles to Saban), well then you're never going to be happy. Saban is great, and Alabama has an amazing program. But even they have been extremely lucky to accumulate the hardware they have in the past few years. We have a great program. They have maybe a bit better program. That doesn't overshadow how great the last few years of LSU football have been in my eyes.

Basically, LSU's down year under Miles was an 8-5 season and a bowl win. And he hasn't lost more than three regular season games in ANY other season. A down year for the vast majority of the rest of the conference is 4-8 or 3-9.

Miles' consistency has been amazing. And his consistent ability to bring in talent and win games is almost in a class by itself. If this is a down year for LSU football, then I'll sit back and have fun watching the young guys develop and understand that these years happen at every program.

Oh yeah, and we'll win 8 games too.

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boxtard

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LSU baseball?

Are you still arguing using the same logic and resorting to name calling every time someone disagrees with you. You obviously have no job or nothing better to do.

A real fan who understands football doesn't need ro rely of on statistics to tell him whether or not his team is in decline, he can see it from watching the product on the field. You are obviously a paid trolll spewing only viewpoint that is not tempered by any understanding of the sport you are discussing. You are merely reiterating statistics that support your conclusions.

Everyone can play this game. Here - I'll show you how:

Miles starts his carrier in 05. From 05 to 07 he goes 34-6 for a 85% winning percentage. Since then, he is 64-19 for a 77% winning percentage for a delta of -8%. Just to be sure you understand, a negative number in the delta on this means a DECLINE.

Against Bama, Les starts of 3-0 for a 100% record, since then he is 2-5 for a 40% winning percentage. Again, a delta of -60%. Once again a DECLINE.

Against Ole Miss, Les starts 3-0 for 100%, since then he is 3-3 for a 50% winning percentage. Again, a delta of -50%, Another DECLINE.

See how this works. I just proved that Les is exactly like Larry Coker. He took a championship quality team and reduced to less than he inherited.

Countdown to you resorting to personal insults 5,4,3,2,1...

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A real fan who understands football doesn't need ro rely of on statistics to tell him whether or not his team is in decline

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Miles starts his carrier in 05. From 05 to 07 he goes 34-6 for a 85% winning percentage. Since then, he is 64-19 for a 77% winning percentage for a delta of -8%. Just to be sure you understand, a negative number in the delta on this means a DECLINE. Against Bama, Les starts of 3-0 for a 100% record, since then he is 2-5 for a 40% winning percentage. Again, a delta of -60%. Once again a DECLINE. Against Ole Miss, Les starts 3-0 for 100%, since then he is 3-3 for a 50% winning percentage. Again, a delta of -50%, Another DECLINE.

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Countdown to you resorting to personal insults 5,4,3,2,1...

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Let me give you some analysis: Communist icons on your avatar, circular logic pattern - talks in circles without ever making a point, fails to grasp linear logic, refuses to accept facts that disprove preassumed conclusions, resorts to name calling when he can't win an argument... Sounds like a Democrat Party underling. The mental picture I am getting from this is not the footprint of a college football fan, but more that of disaffected bohemian who can't quite get over his father's disapproval.

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Back to name calling.

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you special? If so, I'm sorry for making fun of you. Did your mommy not tell you that "fricking idiot" is considered resorting to cursing. That is a sign of adolescent anger management issues. It makes you appear petulant and does not help you make your case.

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Shut the frick up, idiot.

Coker regressed every year save one, when he repeated his same record. I'll say it again for that shithead in Texas: if Miles has a five-year period of such regression, culminating in a 7-6 record, I will slam the AD for not firing Miles two years earlier.

ballscaster - you're methodology is flawed on multiple levels (it doesn't take into account EXPECTATIONS, it ignores initial conditions, and it has a confused understanding of "his own players").

If expectations aren't a factor in gauging success why would anyone ever at anytime fire a coach?

Because we EXPECTED him to do better!

I'm not a "Miles-basher." I'm being a "ballscaster's-model-of-success-basher" because it's fundamentally flawed on so many levels.

If there are no expectations why does what's on the scoreboard matter? Why does it matter if Les's track record is better than one/all of his predecessors? Why can't he be 2nd best? Or 3rd? Why wouldn't that be ok? Why does he have to be compared to historical precedent? Why can't he have multiple losing seasons?

ANS: expectations. Some level of success is expected whatever your referent may be.

All of what I say matters and it matters to every fan. It matters to you or else you wouldn't appeal to predecessors as some measure of success. It matters to Les or else he wouldn't have said after '08 that 5 losses or unacceptable. Why would 5 losses be unacceptable?

Success/failure can't even be discussed without some latent expectation.