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re: True or False: LSU Has Hired Fewer than 3 Elite Football Coaches Since 1950.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:01 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:01 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Miles' first 7 years was a significant increase over Saban's 5 years at LSU, period. Yes, there was a clearly sub-elite trend line from 2012 onward (really can't charge 2016 to Les - O didn't do better than Les had been doing in 2016 or 2017) - so those 4 years fit your argument. But, not Les' first 7 seasons - that was a full notch over Saban's - in winning percentage alone.
I can see the merit to what you are arguing, but I have a slightly different take. I think 2008 to 2010 would have been better had Saban stayed. 2011 makes those three years seem better because they can be included in a possible trend.
I am very thankful for Miles' efforts and his results. He did a great job for most of his tenure and it while he benefitted from many things Saban put in place, it is difficult to follow someone like him. Miles was up to the challenge.
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:06 am to geauxbrown
Geauxbrown, you left off the winningest coach in LSU history that also won a NC and went to another. Typical Miles hater.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:It wasn't near the gauntlet it became after he left either.
saban would have been more successful had he stayed but he didn't. hell 40% of his tenure we finished unranked.
I wonder what his record might have been if Spurrier didn't leave UF and stop the 30-40pt skulldraggings.
If the 2003 loss to UF was as bad as the ones SOS usually handed Saban, USC would've played OU.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:15 am to Mayhawman
I didn’t make my point very well. I’m trying to point out that hiring a coach is not a science. There is no magic formula. Some hires look like sure things and don’t turn out that way. Other hires have question marks all over them and do work out. Some hires turn out exactly as anticipated. There is a reason there is so much turnover every year! It’s because you don’t know until you know. In spite of some people believing they have it all figured out, you have to let it play itself out.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:20 am to Manswers
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I think 2008 to 2010 would have been better had Saban stayed.
Meh - 2008 was a bad year - and the easy outlier to strike of Miles' first 7. But, 2010? 2 losses by 15 total points to ranked teams on the road.
2 scores from winning it all. 2009 was as good or better than 3 of Saban's 5 at LSU.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:24 am to geauxbrown
quote:
Dietzal
Arnsparger
Saban
I guess the semantics of what you mean by "hired an elite coach". Do you mean became or were elite at some point in their career or do you mean we hired an elite HC. If it's the latter, Arnsparger is the only one I'd say maybe (only because he was a HC for such a brief period), the rest are no's.
Saban wasn't elite yet.
Dietzel had his first HC job at LSU (I can't believe we hired a guy that had only been an OL coach
). Arnsparger was the DC for the 72 Dolphins but his only prior HC job was with the Giants where he was 7-28.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:31 am to Mustang99
Some have resumes that project well. Saban '99, Meyer '04, Miles '04 and some others have taken faltering lesser programs and improved them.
Orgeron is not like these and the AD is subjecting LSU football to a crapshoot.
Orgeron is not like these and the AD is subjecting LSU football to a crapshoot.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:34 am to geauxbrown
quote:
I would say "no" but my criteria was based more on results during their tenure at LSU.
...then, you have to include Miles.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:35 am to Mayhawman
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It wasn't near the gauntlet it became after he left either.
in the 5 years saban was here he faced 3 sec west teams that finished the season with less than 4 losses.
2002 Bama-3 losses
2003 old miss-3 losses
2004 auburn -0 losses
in his 5 year tenure he faced 1 sec west team that finished the season with less than 3 losses
2004 auburn
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:37 am to geauxbrown
Rein would have been amazing
Miles is elite, like it or not
I'd say "after the fact" 4 and truly believe Rein would have been 5.
Miles is elite, like it or not
I'd say "after the fact" 4 and truly believe Rein would have been 5.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
Agree, most of the power was in the East with UGA, UF and UT And for those spouting off about number of titles need to remember Saban amazingly won one with 3 SEC losses.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:06 pm to Madking
quote:
He’s the only elite coach I’ve ever heard of who can’t get a job
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:22 pm to IAmReality
quote:
He's obviously not in the same class as the other 2, but he certainly was an elite coach.
Not when he was hired by Alabama.Before he was hired at Alabama in Jan 1990, Navy wouldn't interview him for a job that opened.
He was a solid college and NFL assistant but aside from one good year at A&M in 1967 his head coaching tenure at Texas A&M and St Louis in the NFL wasn't very good.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:33 pm to Mayhawman
You may be right. Nobody really knows. Sometimes the longest odds payoff the best. If somehow O turns out to be the answer then the best part besides winning is not worrying about him leaving for another job. That is what we must hope for now. Probably won’t turn out like that but I will hold my breath and hope it works. I certainly don’t want LSU to fail.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:48 pm to geauxbrown
Well Bama has only hired 2 Elite Coaches in Saban and Bear. What's your point?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:57 pm to IAmReality
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When Saban took over LSU it was a garbage dump and it he made it into a national championship winning and contending team in just a few years.
The program was dysfunctional, but Dinardo did leave some decent talent for Saban to build upon. Of course, there's no denying the huge impact Saban, along with Emmert, had on the program. Saban showed it can be done. Saban is the reason we have fans going apeshit when we don't hit benchmarks like the SECCG. LSU winning 2 NC's in the 2000's brought out the best in LSU, and sometimes the worst.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:58 pm to geauxbrown
I would have to say Arnsparger was not elite..
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:14 pm to Madking
quote:This is the dumbest argument on tRant.
He’s the only elite coach I’ve ever heard of who can’t get a job.
Name all the age 64 head coaches that have been hired for P5 programs this century.
I'll hang up and patiently wait your response.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:20 pm to geauxbrown
False
Dietzel- natty
Arnsbarger- elite resume
Saban- natty
Miles- natty
Sorry, folks. As good as he could have been, you can’t count Rein (RIP).
Dietzel- natty
Arnsbarger- elite resume
Saban- natty
Miles- natty
Sorry, folks. As good as he could have been, you can’t count Rein (RIP).
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