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Posted on 12/6/08 at 8:35 am to msutiger
Posted on 12/6/08 at 8:35 am to msutiger
At this stage I think down the line JL is the better QB, unless we are going to a run option offense. I know not, especially if we get Rueben Randall to go along with DeAngelo Benton.
But if Shepard lives up to the hype, JL and JJ will both be holding a clipboard.
But if Shepard lives up to the hype, JL and JJ will both be holding a clipboard.
This post was edited on 12/6/08 at 8:37 am
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Posted on 12/6/08 at 8:47 am to Six Saint
JJ needs serious work on his mechanics. His throwing motion is extremely loooonnnnnggggggg, while JL has a quick release. JL still needs work on his footwork. I think JJ certainly has more tools. He is taller, faster, with a stronger arm and seemed to see the field pretty well.
I am still convinced that JL could be a pretty good QB in time.
I am still convinced that JL could be a pretty good QB in time.
Posted on 12/6/08 at 8:56 am to msutiger
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that thinks JL is better than JJ.....it seems like im a loner
I see really great pocket passer potential for JL. I hope this season didn't spook him. I'd be in a friggin' straight jacket if I went through what he did. I really feel for the kid. I think he showed real character, although maybe not "calm under pressure".
Remember that Arkansas is not a very good team.
They gave up over 20 points to EVERY TEAM THEY PLAYED in 2008 (we nearly did too...).
So, can you take JJ's performance against them, which was definitely competent, and extrapolate that across the season? I don't know, but it's just something to point out.
I thought JL was our best option for scoring points when down. He proved that several times.
He also caused a lot of the situations that required us to come back too.
So, I'll take JL for now. I think JJ might be better in the long run though, with his running ability added on.
Looking into my crystal ball, I expect that JL will be our long term backup, RS will be the starter (sometime in '09), and JJ will eventually transfer (probably after '09). Just a completely wild guess prognostication.
Posted on 12/6/08 at 9:15 am to TriumphTiger
I don't know which two of the three it will be, but I could certainly see a JL/ RS or JJ combination for 3 years. They all have different strengths.
I too hope JL can bounce back. He was asked to do a lot for LSU prematurely, responded at times, and struggled as well. Sure Auburn was down, but their D was still pretty good, and I'll never forget what JL did in that game.
It was strange what happened to him. He played well in the 2nd half at AU, well against State, and then it snowballed on him.
If we could have tackled the defender on just 3 of the picks we fans might even feel different about him.
I too hope JL can bounce back. He was asked to do a lot for LSU prematurely, responded at times, and struggled as well. Sure Auburn was down, but their D was still pretty good, and I'll never forget what JL did in that game.
It was strange what happened to him. He played well in the 2nd half at AU, well against State, and then it snowballed on him.
If we could have tackled the defender on just 3 of the picks we fans might even feel different about him.
Posted on 12/6/08 at 11:07 am to msutiger
yep
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:15 am to JohnLSU
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JohnLSU
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JJ is a true freshman, The coaches weren't even looking at him to ever start a game this year until the coaches realized JL was a pick 6 machine. As everyone notice JL had help from Charles Scott most of the season. When JJ first start came around he had to do just about all by himself. The Offensive line was protecting, Offensive line wasn't opening holes. The Defense fell apart in the 2nd half. JJ deserve more credit then that BS you just tried to pull.
Sounds like you're using the he's a "freshman" excuse (not to mention others as well - Charles Scott didn't help JJ, etc.). So it's ok for JJ to look like a freshman but not JL? As to Charles Scott, he went 12-28 against Ark, so yes, that wasn't much help to the QB, but one guess why? Arkansas loaded up the box because they didn't fear JJ as a passer. The running stats more than anything show that was the case. In fact, once JJ showed he couldn't pass consistently, the Arkansas defense was able to focus their efforts more on the run and also take away running lanes from JJ, which was how he was able to make most of his plays in the first half - with his legs.
While I think JJ did well for a Freshman in the Ark game, I still don't see how you can look at that game objectively and say he's a better QB than JL.
Let's not forget that JJ was destined for a red shirt this year (medical) but with the second injury to Hatch that put JJ in the back up role. So I understand the point that JJ wasn't supposed to play this year, but then again, neither was JL.
JJ will likely start the bowl game and we will see how well he has matured since the Arkansas game. The added time he's been working out with his receivers will hopefully show on the field.
This post was edited on 12/17/08 at 1:17 am
Posted on 12/17/08 at 7:54 am to TigerinSoCal
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So it's ok for JJ to look like a freshman but not JL?
JL had a full year and a half in the system. JJ had ONE month. The things I saw JJ do against Arky like, look off a safety, throw the ball away and have the ability to avoid pressure and get out of there for a few yards, are all things we NEVER saw JL do. Those are the reasons I think JJ has a much higher ceiling.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:02 am to LSUdm21
Make a play with his legs and not throw pick-sixes...
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:12 am to msutiger
Don't feel bad, the people in the know are always in the minority on the RANT. 
It's a compliment to be insulted by the goofy stupid on the RANT: It validates your wisdom!
These same idiots were raving about Lee after his come from behind victory against Auburn. Being goofy stupid is what they are good at.
It's a compliment to be insulted by the goofy stupid on the RANT: It validates your wisdom!
These same idiots were raving about Lee after his come from behind victory against Auburn. Being goofy stupid is what they are good at.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:21 am to msutiger
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that thinks JL is better than JJ....
do a search on the poster BT, he could be your new best friend
Posted on 12/17/08 at 8:41 am to ATLTiger
like it or not.....
no one really know who is GOING TO BE better.
everyone is just guessing at this point.
no one really know who is GOING TO BE better.
everyone is just guessing at this point.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 9:58 am to msutiger
quote:
that thinks JL is better than JJ.....it seems like im a loner
I don't know if he is better...but they are very different. If their roles had been reversed it would not be difficult to imagine similar results.
quicks...JJ
foot mechanics...even
ball handling...even
throwing mechanics...JL
arm strength...JL
accuracy...JL, slightly
reads...JJ with a caveat
poise...JJ with a caveat
JJ is obviously two dimensional as he has enough speed and instincts to keep the secondary honest. His passing mechanics need alot of work as his wide arc is both a tell to db's and under duress could lead to fumbles and inacurracy. For his age, he has shown good poise and confidence.
JL, to this point, is very one dimensional as he has shown no inclination or the ability to make plays with his feet. His passing mechanics are sound with solid arm strength and has shown the ability to make all the throws. (this is where some ranter will say 'especially the picksix') He throws to deep and medium routes effortlessly. He needs work on short crosses, dumps and touch leads. Decision making is obviously an area of concern that needs to be addressed if he is ever going to reach his potential. I personally believe he will accomplish this and I hope he does it wearing purple and gold.
Summary...JJ has huge upside and a clear mind. JL's learning process took a huge hit as he was prematurely thrust into the glare and unblinking eye of primetime national telecasts...the rest is history that must be forgotten or used as motivation. This year it must have seemed like he was the christians and the SEC was the lions. As history has recorded though...christianity has flourished and the lions, even tho they won the day...have been forgotten.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:30 am to byubengalboy
quicks...JJ AGREE
foot mechanics...even JJ-Lee="stuck in the mud"
ball handling...even AGREE
throwing mechanics...JL AGREE
arm strength...JL JJ on pure strength
accuracy...JL, slightly PUSH
reads...JJ with a caveat AGREE
poise...JJ with a caveat AGREE
foot mechanics...even JJ-Lee="stuck in the mud"
ball handling...even AGREE
throwing mechanics...JL AGREE
arm strength...JL JJ on pure strength
accuracy...JL, slightly PUSH
reads...JJ with a caveat AGREE
poise...JJ with a caveat AGREE
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:38 am to msutiger
If JL is so good, why was he RARELY blitzed this year.
JL could not even find the robber in the defense even though he had time because he was not being blitzed
JL could not even find the robber in the defense even though he had time because he was not being blitzed
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:39 am to msutiger
yes
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:09 pm to msutiger
depends on how you define better, that's too vague.
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:09 pm to specs1
The loss to Bama could have easily been a win. Yes JLee made a couple of mistakes. But the stupid play calls in OT were not on JLee, nor was the dropped touchdown pass or the bobble that gave Bama it's first INT. "
Agreed
Agreed
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:14 pm to TulaneTigerFan
AT TULANE ALSO!!! 
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:17 pm to themunch
Correction. JJ throws to our team. Which is nice
Posted on 12/17/08 at 1:26 pm to RANDY44
quote:
The loss to Bama could have easily been a win. Yes JLee made a couple of mistakes. But the stupid play calls in OT were not on JLee, nor was the dropped touchdown pass or the bobble that gave Bama it's first INT. "
Agreed
Or if Lee doesn't throw the pick six we never see overtime.
Agreed???
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