re: Top CFB programs since 2000

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just answer this one question:

Les Miles' first 3 years included 3 top 5 finishes and one NC. In the 8 years since then, LSU has one top 5 finish and no NCs. If Les Miles is solely responsible for the success he's had since day one, why has the program dropped off as Saban's players graduated?

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Hey olgoi. Just so you know, you're replying to a guy who is now hanging his hat on Top 15 finishes as if they are some fabulous accomplishment.

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Tigerinthehollow

And yet....they will finish in the top 15 for the fifth time in the last six years.....you are a "special" tard aren't you?

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Funny how one poster out there is going down the line and downvoting all anti-Miles posts, but has nothing to say in terms of a reply. Why is that whoever you are???

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Id like to thank Nick Saban for setting us up for a tremendous amount of success.

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I've always said this. Mikes has sustained up until the last few years. Zero chance Miles could of turned LSU around w/o Saban starting it!

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. Zero chance Miles could of turned LSU around w/o Saban starting it!

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go back to the OT son

I don't even know where to begin but I'll try...

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Again, you are operating under the assumption that LSUSaban would have the same benefits that BAMASaban does.

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So you're saying that it's the benefits Bama has and gets that are responsible for where they are today and not Saban?

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Despite all of the advantages he has at Bama, he's only gone unbeaten once (2009) and needed a ton of "hokus pokus" to have that happen too.

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Apparently you are.

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LSUSaban would still struggle recruiting against Bama, just like Miles does. It would just be a different coach.

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This is just extremely ignorant. As lauded of a recruiter as Miles is, Saban is the best in the business. But according to you it's only because he's at Alabama.

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LSUSaban would still have to worry about his teams being called for ridiculous amounts of penalties (Saban's teams at LSU were penalized just as much as Miles teams are). BAMASaban can go an entire year or two without being called for holding, etc.

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You truly do believe that all of Saban's success is due to being at Bama don't you? How do you explain Ray Perkins? Remember Mike Dubose, and Mike Shula? Was Bama a powerhouse under those coaches? NO!!! They WERE NOT!!! Dennis Franchione lost 5 games one season and 3 the next. Bill Curry also had a 5 loss season and a 3 loss season.

What planet are you on to think that Bama's current success is due more to their "benefits" and their lofty status, as if any shmuck could step in there and win big. Ask Bama fans, they'll set you straight on that.

If the coaches don't matter, then how the HELL did we EVER win five straight in this series from '03 to '07?

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The list goes on and on. LSUSaban only had one year where he lost less than three games. ONE!!

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I've already addressed this very topic in this same thread, and you even quoted part of it in this post, but I'll go ahead and copy and paste it right here:

You have to consider a little bit more than just the sheer numbers. He had to change a culture here. He had to establish a winning mentality and toughness that wasn't present when he arrived. Miles did not have to do that. He inherited a program with a winning mentality thanks to Saban. And now we're losing 3+ games a year on a regular basis, which is what you just criticized Saban for doing here.

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LSU had a solid reputation long before Saban.

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Yes it did. But it was also a sleeping giant which struggled through some horrific seasons due to, wait for it... TERRIBLE coaching hires. WOW!!! Crazy how that happens. And the point I made above is that Alabama has had their share too of mediocre teams thanks to mediocre coaches.

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What Saban encouraged was facilities.

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That's part of his overall success. But he also did a HELL of a lot more than just that for LSU. If you don't think he took a sleeping giant of a program and turned it into the elite power it has been since his tenure, then you are just foolish.

You know... Reading through your post again, I swear I think you think that Saban is no better of a coach than Miles. So I'll just ask you, do you think Miles is as good of a coach as Saban? Or maybe even better?

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College football was played before 2000. Most young LSU fans don't know that.

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FIFY.
LSU was a top 18 all-time Div. 1 program prior to 2000. And that's after dipping from 15 or so to 18 during the late Archer through Hallman years.

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Maybe if you get away from your Madden game and look at real football you would notice things like ebbs and flows of different teams in different seasons. That's how it works in real life no matter how much you think it doesn't. No team wins it all every year. Luck will always be a big part of every aspect of the game as anyone that ever played REAL football will tell you. You can't put in a cheat code when you are playing for real. That's for you and the rest of the Madden jockeys that pollute this board with your idiot babbling.

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So that's your answer? Ebbs and flows? There was a lot of flowing right after Saban. When we gonna flow again?