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re: Tomorrow's game defines Miles...
Posted on 11/5/10 at 11:52 am to tiger88
Posted on 11/5/10 at 11:52 am to tiger88
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doing it in a fashion that shows he actually had something to do with the win besides on paper being listed as coach and standing on the sidelines merely gesticulating during the game
you don't know much about head coaching do you? that's like watching a professionl golfer win on a sunday and saying he makes $500,000 a day. completely discounting the fact that he hits thousands of golf balls and has for 20 yrs. and only makes a payday about 20 times a year.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:00 pm to 7
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What defines Miles:
We each see things in our own way and nothing says my way is the right way.
I'm more a results guy than a process guy. So, I find 58-16, the 2nd most SEC wins in the last 5 years and 8 games, 5 yrs of NR in 5 yrs and 8 games, as many SEC west titles as any school in the last 5 years, a 4-5 record vs the best two coaches in the SEC for the last 5 yrs and 8 games, 4-1 bowl record, A current Top 10 BCS ranking, and a NC as a pretty dang fine college football coaching resume on the whole.
I fully understand that the success of the program is not currently at the 07 level.
Others see it different and that's ok.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:10 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Just because we won the game doesn't mean it was a direct result of anything Miles did.
Out of curiosity, what does and does not define what Miles is responsible for during the game. If we go out and throw the ball downfield and have success, is that Miles opening up the offense or finally letting Crowton do his job? If Michael Ford were to make a big splash and run for 100 yards and 2 TD, would that be Miles letting the young guys play or him getting the frick out of Frank Wilson's way?
Like it or not, if everything wrong with the program is layed at Les's feet, then he has to reap the benefits if/when something good happens.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:19 pm to OldManRiver
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Out of curiosity, what does and does not define what Miles is responsible for during the game?
No one really knows. That's the problem with Les and his coaching style. No one understands what he does, or what value he provides. That, combined with his mind numbing communication makes him fodder for ever critic with a keyboard and an opinion. It's up to Les to define himself, and he doesn't.
This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:26 pm to tiger88
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Until Les Miles demonstrates convincingly that he is reponsible for a win
I am by no means at all a Miles appologist. But to say he has not been responsible for wins is a little ridiculous.
I know he had "Saban's talent" (as someone who doesn't like Miles, even I think this is BS criticism), but he deserves credit for the beatdown of Miami, Notre Dame, VT, fla in 07, AU in 07, Bama on the road in 05, and fla this year, the NC game.
Trust me, I know he has done more idiotoc things than smart things, but lets be fair. We have lost games because of him, we have definitely won games ugly because of him, but admit it, he has put up some quality wins. And it really isn't fair to say those were in spite of him.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:30 pm to 7
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We only win the ones we are supposed to
According to all the experts, we weren't supposed to beat florida on the road this year. Hell even most LSU fans were conceding that to the gators before the season.
Damn, I hate having to defend Miles.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:56 pm to Choctaw
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Just because we won the game doesn't mean it was a direct result of anything Miles did.
I swear....you Miles bashers talk yourselves into circles so much its not even funny.
Can positigers now say that just because we lost a game doesnt mean it was a direct result of anything Miles did?
SO now miles is undefeated. :fearthehat:
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 12:56 pm to tiger88
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Tomorrow's game defines Miles...
(Les Miles keeps his job tomorrow by winning.
bullshite.......then we'll say the same thing for Ole Miss and Arkansas.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 1:42 pm to memphis tiger
Beating down an out-of-conference foe, and ones of questionable quality (e.g. Notre Dame, VT , and arguably Miama [this is not the 80s]), doesn't impress me much. Beating down top tier SEC foes would. Managing the game comensurately with one's salary should be a given, but apparently Miles gets a waiver due to his record (but the oddities are noticed and now tallied), but at some point things will catch up to him.
While never being one to originally put much stock into the Saban's program/players theory, I find it interesting that as the years progress away from the Saban era, LSU's program gets progressively worse.
Is LSU's record bad? Not really, no. But the steady downward progression is apparent, despite the record and THIS IS WHAT FANS ARE NOTICING. And for the money paid, this is simply unacceptable.
Enter in LSU's first quality opponent (Auburn). What happened?
Not only was the game close, not only did LSU lose, but IT WAS THE FASHION IN WHICH LSU LOST (LSU's team losing all composure, after a time out, and despite that they had two to use if they needed them).
But, you know what, tomorrow will shut me up if Miles can beat Bama; I don't care how ugly or if by 1 point.
While never being one to originally put much stock into the Saban's program/players theory, I find it interesting that as the years progress away from the Saban era, LSU's program gets progressively worse.
Is LSU's record bad? Not really, no. But the steady downward progression is apparent, despite the record and THIS IS WHAT FANS ARE NOTICING. And for the money paid, this is simply unacceptable.
Enter in LSU's first quality opponent (Auburn). What happened?
Not only was the game close, not only did LSU lose, but IT WAS THE FASHION IN WHICH LSU LOST (LSU's team losing all composure, after a time out, and despite that they had two to use if they needed them).
But, you know what, tomorrow will shut me up if Miles can beat Bama; I don't care how ugly or if by 1 point.
This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 2:00 pm to LSU GrandDad
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you don't know much about head coaching do you? that's like watching a professionl golfer win on a sunday and saying he makes $500,000 a day. completely discounting the fact that he hits thousands of golf balls and has for 20 yrs. and only makes a payday about 20 times a year.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, so I will admit one thing: I fail to see the relevance of your attempted analogy with golfers.
Let's discount Miles shall we, and since you brought up golf, we'll even call these discounts handicaps.
So, Miles has a grade or average golf score, right? Let's call that X. The handicaps we'll call Y.
Here are the Ys:
1) Inherited a well oiled machine of a program, first rebuilt by Gerry DiNardo and then finished and championship track graded by Nick Saban.
2) Inherited a program in one of the most football talent rich states (per capita) in these United States...V.I, Guam, and Puerto Rican territories included.
3) Inherited a program whose facilities are second to a very few if any other program.
4) Apparently enjoyed the momentum of aforesaid championship-grade program and arguably still does.
X - Y = ? I'd love to know what ? looks like; perhaps if Miles goes to Colorado, we may eventually find out.
If Miles had accomplished his current record from ground zero (where Gerry DiNardo or even Nick Saban did), I'd be impressed.
But to date, I'm not.
This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 2:21 pm to Choctaw
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You'd have alot more nickels for the times he did.
this......bigtime.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 2:43 pm to tiger88
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But the steady downward progression is apparent
7-5 to 9-3 to 7-1 (to this point) in the last 3 regular seasons equates to a "steady downward progression" to you?
SEC wise, it's 3-5 to 5-3 to 4-1.
National ranking wise, it's none to #17 to #11.
I'm glad you think 7-1 and 10th ranked in the BCS is not really bad since it's better than bout 92% of all college football teams.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 3:48 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Look at LSU now...7-1 and in the BCS Top 10.
You don't see a difference?
Again, Les would have to keep up his "amazing" winning percentage for 50 more games to even match what Richt had done before this season. So Miles going 9-3 for four more seasons sounds about right.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:04 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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SEC wise, it's 3-5 to 5-3 to 4-1.
Yeah man, that 12-9 SEC record is incredible.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:21 pm to Chimlim
He's going to CU......let him define himself there now... ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconbanghead.gif)
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:23 pm to ZoTiger6
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He's going to CU......let him define himself there now..
Colorado takes LSU's winningest Footbal Coach. Classic
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This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:27 pm to theunknownknight
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to even match what Richt had done before this season
If we forgot bout that inconvenient, for some, NC Miles has and Mark doesn't, you might be right.
I'm not forgetting it and you aren't right.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:37 pm to Chimlim
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Yeah man, that 12-9 SEC record is incredible.
I didn't say it was "incredible".
I said 3-5 to 5-3 to 4-1 was an upward movement.
Perhaps your not understanding up from down is the "incredible" part.
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 4:53 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I'm not forgetting it and you aren't right.
13-1
Posted on 11/5/10 at 5:02 pm to theunknownknight
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13-1
12-2
AP National Champion
Coaches National Champion
BCS National Champion
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