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Time to admit LSU got it wrong.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:08 pm
Yesterday afternoon we all witnessed Brian Kelly's replacement come into the backyard of the LSU Tigers and win a playoff game and put his team one step closer towards a national championship. BK left Notre Dame because he felt like he couldn't win there, Marcus Freeman has proven that to be false. ND never panicked on their search, once BK left, they knew they had their guy. It wasn't about a splash hire but the right hire. Meanwhile at LSU, Brian Kelly keeps on leading his team to mediocre seasons and losing in state recruits to Michigan. As long as he stays there, LSU will not become a factor in the college football landscape. It will be middle of the road SEC team or worst.
Time to start reallocating the NIL towards BK's buyout
Time to start reallocating the NIL towards BK's buyout
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:10 pm to LostInDaBoot
Last night was the national championship game?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:10 pm to LostInDaBoot
More like you got this post wrong. Next year if he doesn’t make the playoffs, then maybe he isn’t the answer.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:11 pm to LostInDaBoot
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Marcus Freeman has proven that to be false.
So..... Freeman made the final four, a feat Brian Kelly did 3 times (BCSNCG, 2 CFP Semis).
What has Freeman done that Kelly didn't at ND? If Freeman wins a title, sure, you have an argument. Hint, they won't beat PSU and tOSU/UT.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:12 pm to LostInDaBoot
Seriously, you average ~1 post a year, and this is what you come up with?
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LostInDaBoot
Member since May 2021
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:13 pm to LostInDaBoot
This kind of analysis is like an ape contemplating a fresh floating turd.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:16 pm to LostInDaBoot
A coach at another school has nothing to do with LSU. Even if Saban was coaching this LSU team they would not have done what you expect, LSU was lacking talent and missing several players due to injuries.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:21 pm to LostInDaBoot
What Kelly got wrong is the depth of the ‘cancerous leadership’ on the team. It infiltrated and impacted everything.
Honestly, besides immediately kicking players like Burns and Boutte off the team, I’m not sure he could have done much more. We literally had a full team of players (especially defense), just going through the motions.
Honestly, besides immediately kicking players like Burns and Boutte off the team, I’m not sure he could have done much more. We literally had a full team of players (especially defense), just going through the motions.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:22 pm to TheDeathValley
I'm not convinced Kelly is the answer, but in context he was the right choice at that time. Way back when the Hat got canned and the hire of Tom Herman fell through, Coach O made sense with his pitch- pay me less as a head coach, I’ll be the recruiting coordinator and use the money you’re not paying me to be head coach to pay the best coordinators. Aranda was that on D and he got lucky with the Slinger/Joe Brady/Joe Burrow combo, but once he won, he decided he needed the big money, and that all fell apart.
So Coach O gets fired and our new AD comes back home from A&M, and says he’s paying top dollar, but wants an established coach (that worked really well with Jimbo, but I digress.) Rumor was it was Riley from Oklahoma, but he went West (to try to avoid the SEC IMO, but what do I know?) So who fits the AD’s criteria?
Saban? He’s not leaving Bama, and just retired, so that wasn’t a possibility.
Riley? Off the board to USC.
James Franklin? Had proven to be a good coach, but not a great one, and had no real motivation to leave Penn State.
Brian Day? Not going to leave The Ohio State University.
Urban Meyer? Please…
Kiffin? Not going to fire Coach O and bring in Kiffin…
Then who? Napier was hot at the University of Louisiana Lafayette, but hadn’t proven himself on the big stage.
So Kelly’s resume was really the best fit for these criteria. Has won everywhere he’s been, three coach of the year trophies, left the program in better shape than when he go there/doesn’t have a history of flaming out. I guess another way to ask, if not Kelly, then who?
Like I said, I'm not convinced Kelly is the answer, but was anyone in their right mind saying at the time, "You know what LSU should do? Give the current DC at Notre Dame, who had only been the DC there for one season, having been at DC at Cinncinnati before that, his first HC gig?"
So Coach O gets fired and our new AD comes back home from A&M, and says he’s paying top dollar, but wants an established coach (that worked really well with Jimbo, but I digress.) Rumor was it was Riley from Oklahoma, but he went West (to try to avoid the SEC IMO, but what do I know?) So who fits the AD’s criteria?
Saban? He’s not leaving Bama, and just retired, so that wasn’t a possibility.
Riley? Off the board to USC.
James Franklin? Had proven to be a good coach, but not a great one, and had no real motivation to leave Penn State.
Brian Day? Not going to leave The Ohio State University.
Urban Meyer? Please…
Kiffin? Not going to fire Coach O and bring in Kiffin…
Then who? Napier was hot at the University of Louisiana Lafayette, but hadn’t proven himself on the big stage.
So Kelly’s resume was really the best fit for these criteria. Has won everywhere he’s been, three coach of the year trophies, left the program in better shape than when he go there/doesn’t have a history of flaming out. I guess another way to ask, if not Kelly, then who?
Like I said, I'm not convinced Kelly is the answer, but was anyone in their right mind saying at the time, "You know what LSU should do? Give the current DC at Notre Dame, who had only been the DC there for one season, having been at DC at Cinncinnati before that, his first HC gig?"
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:23 pm to LostInDaBoot
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ND never panicked on their search, once BK left, they knew they had their guy.
They did panic b/c BK left them in the playoff hunt in 2021. ND was ranked #5 the week after BK left them. Lucky for them, their panic hire panned out. I'm not trying to discount what Freeman is doing there, but he inherited a great situation. He didn't build it from the levels that LSU sunk to in 2021. Freeman inherited the #5 team in the country in 2021 and then lost 7 games combined the following two years. This year he shite the bed early against Northern Illinois and has rebounded in a way that none of us expected. But as of September 8th, many thought ND was a dumpster fire based on his first 2 years and that game.
ND was ready for that game last night despite the distractions in NOLA. He deserves all the credit for that. All this proves is that sometimes coaching hires are a crap shoot. There is no such thing as a sure thing in college football unless you are hiring Saban.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:23 pm to LostInDaBoot
Freeman inherited a loaded class from Kelly. He didnot have to rebuild.
Yes he has done well to keep momentum going and got a great QB in portal.
Kelly had to build team from scratch. So yes he has done a decent job but not great. Next 2 years will truly tell if it was bust.
Having a above average QB is very important. Even if Beck was healthy Georgia has struggled offensilvely this year. So the W over Georgia is good but not great. This years Georgia team is not the same as last couple years. They had some glaring holes.
Summary, need 1-2 years to actually confirm thsi statement
Yes he has done well to keep momentum going and got a great QB in portal.
Kelly had to build team from scratch. So yes he has done a decent job but not great. Next 2 years will truly tell if it was bust.
Having a above average QB is very important. Even if Beck was healthy Georgia has struggled offensilvely this year. So the W over Georgia is good but not great. This years Georgia team is not the same as last couple years. They had some glaring holes.
Summary, need 1-2 years to actually confirm thsi statement
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:24 pm to LostInDaBoot
quote:You probably overreact to lots of thing in your life.
esterday afternoon we all witnessed Brian Kelly's replacement come into the backyard of the LSU Tigers and win a playoff game
ND beat a Georgia team that lost two games this year and barely won their last two games in Overtime, one of them to Georgia Tech. Georgia barely got by KENTUCKY by one point.
Sorry, it's no big accomplishment.
Besides, we are stuck with BK for another few years thanks to our AD. No amount of NIL money is gonna buy him out any time soon.
My suggestion is to move on to other things in your life.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:24 pm to LostInDaBoot
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middle of the road SEC team or worst.
worse
the word that escapes you is worse
keep swinging for the fences though sport…
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:30 pm to LostInDaBoot
Freeman is a good coach and has recruited well. I'd like what he has brought to ND if I'm an ND fan. This does not mean LSU got it wrong or that Freeman is a better coach than Kelly.
Freeman took an ND team that had 5 straight 10 win regular seasons and a playoff appearance under BK to 8-4 and 9-3 in his first two years, with atrocious losses to Marshall, Stanford, and this season Northern Illinois. They have strung together a nice rebound this season, but have a strength of schedule in the 30s that's bolstered by unexpected "good" wins in Navy and Army who have SOS in the 80s.
BK took what we all know was a program in shambles and has had similar results up until this season with SOS in the top 10. LSU has won some notable games as underdogs during that time, while (unless you want to count the Sugar Bowl against a backup QB) ND hasn't won a single game they weren't already expected to. They are the same as Penn State with an even weaker strength of schedule.
Notre Dame would almost certainly have been fighting in the 9-3 pile of SEC teams had they had to play one of these non Texas SEC schedules this year. They just won a game against a backup QB without scoring a second half offensive TD.
This is a different conversation in 3 weeks if they knockoff Penn State and then OSU.
Freeman took an ND team that had 5 straight 10 win regular seasons and a playoff appearance under BK to 8-4 and 9-3 in his first two years, with atrocious losses to Marshall, Stanford, and this season Northern Illinois. They have strung together a nice rebound this season, but have a strength of schedule in the 30s that's bolstered by unexpected "good" wins in Navy and Army who have SOS in the 80s.
BK took what we all know was a program in shambles and has had similar results up until this season with SOS in the top 10. LSU has won some notable games as underdogs during that time, while (unless you want to count the Sugar Bowl against a backup QB) ND hasn't won a single game they weren't already expected to. They are the same as Penn State with an even weaker strength of schedule.
Notre Dame would almost certainly have been fighting in the 9-3 pile of SEC teams had they had to play one of these non Texas SEC schedules this year. They just won a game against a backup QB without scoring a second half offensive TD.
This is a different conversation in 3 weeks if they knockoff Penn State and then OSU.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:33 pm to LostInDaBoot
Haha - left with 38 players and 6-6 team vs 85 players and 11-1 team. One is not like the other.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:34 pm to LostInDaBoot
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Time to admit LSU got it wrong.
No, no it's not. Please just stop with all of this retard mode BS.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:41 pm to LostInDaBoot
If LSU got it wrong, then who was the right hire in that situation that we could have honestly hired…?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:53 pm to Brendoni
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Next year if he doesn’t make the playoffs, then maybe he isn’t the answer.
You’re being too damn generous. If this team doesn’t make the CFP next year, then Kelly isn’t the answer, period.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:54 pm to LostInDaBoot
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Brian Kelly keeps on leading his team to mediocre seasons and losing in state recruits to Michigan
Who would that be?
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Time to start reallocating the NIL towards BK's buyout
One of the dumbest things I’ve read on this board in a long time
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:00 pm to Gnash
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Brian Kelly keeps on leading his team to mediocre seasons and losing in state recruits to Michigan
Who would that be?
He lost (2) 4 star prospects (RB & WR) out of Archbishop Shaw in the Westbank.
Brian Kelly keeps on leading his team to mediocre seasons and losing in state recruits to Michigan
Who would that be?
He lost (2) 4 star prospects (RB & WR) out of Archbishop Shaw in the Westbank.
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