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re: Time out before the half by Miles with :12 seconds left and clock running.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:16 pm to wahoocs
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:16 pm to wahoocs
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When your argument or defense is reduced to this statement, it's time to step back and re-assess your situation.
i was specifically responding to hbt's comment. there was nothing wrong with calling that timeout. if you could give me reason as to why it was a bad call i'd love to hear it.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 1:19 pm
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Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:16 pm to ItTakesAThief
somebody must have stolen your brains thief. the reason why he called out is obvious.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:18 pm to Choctaw
[quote]The lack of football IQ on this board is amazing. [/quote
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:21 pm to TigerJeff
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No problem w/ calling the timeout. Why did he let ten seconds or so run off the clock before calling it however?
probably in case they get the first down
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:22 pm to TigerJeff
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Why did he let ten seconds or so run off the clock before calling it however
He was obviously unaware of down and situation. Any forethought here would lead a sane person to let the clock run out.
There is absolutely no defense here. And, furthermore, it's not really a big deal, especially given the immense history of much bigger gaffes. I didn't bring it up in this instance, but since a reference was made, I did feel compelled to point out the bigger mistake made when we possessed the ball prior to Towson's possession.
Anyone defending Miles here immediately labels themselves as unworthy of such discussion. Fortunately, there's not many to deal with.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:27 pm to Choctaw
OK I guess I don't know football. Please enlighten me. If you're going to make the effort to take the timeout, shouldn't there be enough time left for you to do something w/ the ball? Either let them run the clock out, or call time out immediately. Not really a big deal under the circumstances, and probably nitpicky anyway.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:29 pm to wahoocs
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There is absolutely no defense here.
i just defended it...yet you choose to ignore it for some reason. like i've said...ive seen a timeout called in that situation hundreds of times.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:32 pm to TigerJeff
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OK I guess I don't know football. Please enlighten me. If you're going to make the effort to take the timeout, shouldn't there be enough time left for you to do something w/ the ball?
you're playing for the punt return...not offense. if you call it immediately and they get a first down then you give them 2 extra plays.
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Not really a big deal under the circumstances
no..its not. which makes this thread beyond stupid.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:36 pm to Choctaw
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if you could give me reason as to why it was a bad call i'd love to hear it.
Calling a timeout here, when the opposing coach is content to let it run out?
The only circumstance that can occur as a positive for your team would be for the opposing coach to call a pass play, and it would have to be intercepted or incomplete. QB would have to be sacked and fumble. What coach is going to call a pass play in this situation?
So, you're not going to force a punt here, right? I guess you could have an Arkansas type 80 yard TD pass by your opponent? No?
I'll grant you this. Calling the TO on 2nd down with 1:38 left before the half is definitely more egregious than this one. And calling the TO on third down in the last possession of the last game was worse than both.
Do you really want to expend energy defending Miles' clock management? 'Cause I'm not really in a Miles bashing mood right now. I'm more in the indifferent mode today.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:37 pm to wahoocs
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He was obviously unaware of down and situation.
No excuse for this.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:40 pm to Choctaw
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you're playing for the punt return
You're only playing for the punt return if your opposing head coach has the same clock management skills as yourself.
Think about it.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:51 pm to Choctaw
What IS a big deal however is LSU's offense. IMO the biggest problem is predictability. Seriously, tell me where I'm wrong. Does LSU run play action passes? How can you "play action pass" when we use the "toss dive" instead of stretch handoff? If you understand what I mean. I don't care if a play is technically a "running" play or "passing" game ... seems to me that a short pass to a running back is in essence a running play -- it's high percentage. McCarron makes a living throwing to backs out of the backfield, short strikes over the middle to WRs and TE's -- which makes the defense respect these plays, THEN when he wants to throw deep he has time to pass. It's great to say LSU should go downfield more, and I agree, but when they've tried to do this, Mett gets sacked. Is it because LSU's playcalling is too predictable? It's either a toss-dive, a bubble screen to a WR or a dropback pass. Doesn't matter how talented your backs and receivers are, how strong your QBs' arm is, how big your line is, if the other team knows what you're going to run, you're going to get stuffed or sacked. Am I off base here?
Posted on 9/30/12 at 1:53 pm to Choctaw
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if you call it immediately and they get a first down then you give them 2 extra plays.
The fact you could think this far ahead in moves made by only brain dead coaches makes me ashamed that I responded.
Wow.
I'm hoping you've come to some sort of realization of what you're saying here.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:06 pm to wahoocs
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The only circumstance that can occur as a positive for your team would be for the opposing coach to call a pass play, and it would have to be intercepted or incomplete. QB would have to be sacked and fumble. What coach is going to call a pass play in this situation?
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So, you're not going to force a punt here, right? I guess you could have an Arkansas type 80 yard TD pass by your opponent? No?
what? Towson wasn't going to have an 80 yard pass play.
you call a timeout....if they run it, fine. its not like you wasted a timeout. if they pass and its complete then the half is over. if they pass it and its incomplete you have a chance to return.
are people really this dense that they can't understand this?
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Do you really want to expend energy defending Miles' clock management? 'Cause I'm not really in a Miles bashing mood right now. I'm more in the indifferent mode today.
this thread is about this timeout. if you want to expand on your hatred of Miles then start another thread. i don't care.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:10 pm to wahoocs
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The fact you could think this far ahead in moves made by only brain dead coaches makes me ashamed that I responded.
WTF are you even talking about? Jesus, you're a frickin' idiot. Perhaps you should delegate most of your time here to the Soccer Board because you are f'n clueless when it comes to football.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:10 pm to Choctaw
I don't hate Miles at all, the guy's record speaks for itself. I just think we have a big problem with predictability on offense.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:20 pm to TigerJeff
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Am I off base here?
The simple answer is no.
For a team that has a known identity as a power running team, by my off the top of my head count, we have only run 3 true play action passes.
The truth of the matter is, our passing game is not very well coordinated. And I mean that in every possible way. Look at personnel, look at routes, look at QB development, look at protection, and look at play selection according to down and distance.
We run a middle school passing offense. The field is divided into 3 segments, either side of the hashes, and between the hashes. Our receivers stay in their third of the field almost exclusively. We finally threw a deep crossing route to Beckham on our last significant possession. It was on third and long, and it was a thing of beauty. Timing, route, throw, and hands. First time all season, that I can recall, a receiver crossed any third of the field on his route, and we connected.
Many times you will see Mettenberger try to force a covered receiver the ball on a route shy of the first down marker, when he is obviously well covered. I don't see where he has any other choice on the play. Even the throwback to Ware on the rollout at Auburn was not a designed play. Who has a safety valve checkdown like that designed into their passing game?
Mett has made a couple of great checkdown throws in the last 2 games just prior to getting hit, but has had to throw them all arm, because his primary receiver had him looking so far away.
I do understand they probably have to dummy things down here early, but I don't see many advances in our passing attack, from both a player and coaching standpoint.
I think 2 wins out of our next 3 is best case scenario, and there's a real possibility to lose 2 of them. I don't say this as a sky is falling type of statement, more of a "I'm coming to terms with my expectations" statement.
Offensive inconsistency will eventually effect the defense, and injuries are starting to take a toll. I'm still hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:25 pm to Choctaw
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WTF are you even talking about?
Don't worry about it, Choctaw. It's over your head.
I promise you're not going to get much help on this one.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:38 pm to EarthwormJim
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It was 3rd down. Probably hoping for an incomplete pass and a shot at a punt return
this
Posted on 9/30/12 at 2:40 pm to ItTakesAThief
Miles has no idea what he's doing with end of the 1st half timeouts. It's the same almost every game.
He lets too much time run off the clock or he takes them at stupid times like this.
He lets too much time run off the clock or he takes them at stupid times like this.
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