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re: Time for a change at the leadoff spot
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:39 pm to Tigerfan7218
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:39 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:41 pm to Lester Earl
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who would you hit leadoff??
Jones with Watkins in the 9-hole.
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you shouldn't be mad at me because you can't have come up with any argument besides "he sucks!!!!!".
I did. You ignored them. Also, I didn't say that he sucks. I said that he isn't getting it done as a leadoff. Read the title of the thread. I believe that it is time for a change at the leadoff spot. Too many holes in his swing. He would be a fantastic 9-hole hitter and far more valuable to this team.
This post was edited on 3/18/11 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:41 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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His OBP is now .397
that is still not that bad
Rhymes, Hanover, Jacoby and Katz wer a combined 0-14 tonight with 1 walk. I assume theirs dropped as well.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:43 pm to CROWN N COKE
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Jones with Watkins in the 9-hole.
again, Jones has 1 walk all season. He strikes out a lot too.
him getting on base is dependent on him getting a base hit.
we have seen him struggle against good pitching. Do you really want a leadoff hitter going into SEC play that can only get on base via a base hit?
you pretty much have to ask Jones to hit .400 in SEC play to get on base at the same clip as Trey Watkins. Think about that.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:45 pm to Lester Earl
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His OBP is now .397
that is still not that bad
I agree, but it is not that good. Still 7th out of the 9 starters. I agree that JJ is not ready to leadoff yet though. Not sure I would make a move at this point. But if you think that TW is doing well, I must disagree with you.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:47 pm to Lester Earl
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him getting on base is dependent on him getting a base hit.
Watkins getting on base is dependent on his drawing a walk.
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we have seen him struggle against good pitching.
We've seen Watkins struggle against average pitching.
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Do you really want a leadoff hitter going into SEC play that can only get on base via a base hit?
you pretty much have to ask Jones to hit .400 in SEC play to get on base at the same clip as Trey Watkins. Think about that.
So, If Jones was moved to leadoff instead of the 9-hole, you don't think he'd have the ability to be a little more selective?
BTW...I really hope that you are right, because I fully expect Watkins to remain in the leadoff spot. However, it really sickens me that this will be the case. I will pray that you'll get to tell me "I told you so"!
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:50 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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if you think that TW is doing well, I must disagree with you.
i agree that was a bad AB in the 9th, but a lot of his value doesn't show up in batting average. It is hidden. I dont think there is a player on the team that could have as much of an impact in the leadoff spot as he does. Hanover, maybe, but we need him in the middle of hte order.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 10:57 pm to Lester Earl
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i agree that was a bad AB in the 9th,
Lester, do you really think I am gonna judge his performance by 1 AB?
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I dont think there is a player on the team that could have as much of an impact in the leadoff spot as he does.
You may be right. He is gonna be there for a while. I hope he improves. A .250 something BA and an OBP of less than .400 is not good IMO, especially when you factor in all the Ks. There may be nobody better for the job now on the team, but that doesn't mean that he's performing well now. Let's hope we see the pre-injury Watkins from last year--starting tomorrow night.
ETA: I agree that it may be premature to make a change, but not because TW is performing well like you have argued. I think you went a little far with that! I agree that JJ is not ready, but come on--TW is not doing well.
This post was edited on 3/18/11 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 3/18/11 at 11:18 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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Lester, do you really think I am gonna judge his performance by 1 AB?
nope, it just seems people are jumping him for that though.
411 is not a bad OBP, neither is 395. id like to see it higher, obviously, but it is what it is at this point.
he does swing and miss too much, definitely. But he walks, he gets hit by pitches, and just gets on base despite not being a great average hitter.
Im not saying he is doing awesome. But he isn't playing bad at all. Im confident we dont have a player on our roster that can do the things he can do as a leadoff hitter.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 11:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Im not saying he is doing awesome. But he isn't playing bad at all. Im confident we dont have a player on our roster that can do the things he can do as a leadoff hitter.
You may be right there. That should be your argument for not making a change now, not that he is doing what a leadoff batter should. I think you got a little carried away with that one.
Posted on 3/18/11 at 11:30 pm to Kim Jong Ir
they go hand in hand, imo
Posted on 3/19/11 at 7:16 am to tsmi136
I agree he is somewhat a weak link in the lineup, but in all fairness, that 3rd strike call, the ball was up and outside. Florida was getting that pitch but seems a few the same for us was not called. But he shouldn't take a pitch that close.
This post was edited on 3/19/11 at 7:17 am
Posted on 3/19/11 at 7:24 am to DBG
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Watkins leads the team in K's and his on-base % is 7th among the regular 9
Been saying that for 3 weeks now.
Posted on 3/19/11 at 8:47 am to Cajun Revolution
We lost b/c our lockdown closer got torched and our "smooth fielding" SS looked like a Little Leaguer...not b/c of Watkins. Sometimes you have those games. Just gotta come out strong and get back on the horse 
Posted on 3/19/11 at 9:08 am to Broham
If you've been saying that for 3 weeks, then no one should take you seriously. Calling out players 6-7 games into the season and all.
Posted on 3/19/11 at 9:50 am to iknowmorethanyou
We also lost because the guy that they are wanting to move to leadoff can't lay down a freaking bunt.
Posted on 3/19/11 at 10:50 am to josh336
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josh336
Watkins should not be our leadoff hitter. I hope for a walk when he's up, that's his best chance. He's Mr. K in my mind.
Posted on 3/19/11 at 10:56 am to sec417r39
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We also lost because the guy that they are wanting to move to leadoff can't lay down a freaking bunt.
The 2 guys after that struck out dumbass, it wouldn't have mattered. And one of them was Mr. K
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