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re: Tigers have reached the 40-win mark for the 7th time in coach Paul Mainieri's 9
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:51 am to TigerCub
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:51 am to TigerCub
quote:? How is it not? Lsu has only been to Omaha once since '09 and didn't even win a game. And that's with lsu only having to go to ucla once. Does that sound commensurate with the most elite team in college baseball? That is definitely not "more often than not." That is "its rare for lsu to make it there." And that 1 appearance is overshadowed by the bloody nose that is stony brook and Houston.
"more often than not" isn't really specific
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:55 am to bfniii
So you have no quantifiable measure of what your expectations are? That's what I'm asking for. Can you come up with an answer for that?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:57 am to bfniii
quote:PM is in his, what, 9th year? So you think 5 of those years he should be in Omaha and winning. If he goes this year, that will be 4 out of 9. He's won 1 year and lost out completely in 2. He brought us back pretty quick after Smoke... faltered some with pitching... then went and got Dunn. I said he underachieved the last 2 years. Last year was at least a Super team, but we weren't great hitters and had to rely a ton on Nola. 2013 was our best chance in the PM era, IMO. When else should we have won? Prove I'm not wrong.
Prove I'm wrong.
quote:Are you serious with this?
for the most elite baseball team in america??
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:00 am to bfniii
quote:Stony brook was better than us that year. Lots of people won't admit that, but they were. Houston was bad. But we were still going to struggle in a super. We didn't have the pitching depth and we lost so much hitting. We squeaked into a top 8 seed thanks to a late winning streak and other teams faltering. We were fairly mediocre the first 40 games of last year.
stony brook and Houston.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:00 am to ell_13
quote:
He's wrong about "more often than not". But a few of these teams have underachieved. That's not an insult. Many teams under and overachieve every year. LSU just had a couple of years recently where they didn't finish like they were easily capable of doing: Losing to Houston at home. And 0-2 in 2013. Other than that, I'd say we either met the realistic expectations or surpassed them.
I know a lot of people put stock in reg. season wins and SECT wins. And they're good accolades to have, but there's a different standard here... one that I'm proud of. The bar is set at a CWS championship. Skip understood the value of everyone having that expectation... that desire... fans, players, coaches and administration alike.
Hard to argue with any of this.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:06 am to ell_13
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Stony brook was better than us that year. Lots of people won't admit that, but they were.
They really weren't. Their sorry performance in Omaha is proof. Stony Brook had two pitchers left after Friday, and we let them them off the hook by swinging at every pitch that was in the vicinity of the strike zone and giving them 9-pitch innings. If we're patient and get to their bullpen, we win. That home run barrage in the 9th inning of Game 1 was the worst thing that happened to us because we started to believe we could hit any pitch out the park.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:10 am to lsutigers1992
We were who we were and they were who they were. They played to their strengths and we couldn't overcome our deficiencies. That makes them better. They could hit our best pitching. We struggled with theirs. It doesn't get much more straight forward. But people play the "if" game because it suits them and SB got destroyed in the CWS. Whatever. We could have easily lost the first 2 games of that series. Much easier than you seem to think we could have won it.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:18 am to jptiger2009
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LSU baseball has won at least 40 games for the 27th time in the past 32 seasons!
Since 2012 I have learned to hold judgement about LSU's baseball team until post season play comes...which is about the time they fold like a chair under Mainieri's watch.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:24 am to JS87
I'd settle for sniffing a win in Omaha. Is that asking too much of CPM? I don't think so. It's been a long dry spell. Les go! 
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:28 am to jptiger2009
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leading a world-class,
World class? Where besides the USA and maybe Canada is college baseball played?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:30 am to ell_13
quote:that should be very close to the standard. Let's say he made it 4 times and 1 of those years he won a couple of games. Or if he made it 3 times and 1 of those made it to the finals or won. There needs to be a robust proportion. Right now, it's pretty bad because we aren't even making it there
So you think 5 of those years he should be in Omaha and winning
quote:If he wins a couple of games in omaha this year, I would say he's getting back to where the program should be. That would be 2 out of the last 3 years which is excellent.
If he goes this year, that will be 4 out of 9
quote:what is there to argue? Lsu has the most money, the best facilities, the most fans, the most visibility, etc.
Are you serious with this?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:32 am to ell_13
quote:we let a pitcher throw ~250 pitches in 48 hours. The first 150 - ok. He was really good. But the 2nd game, there's no excuse for that.
Stony brook was better than us that year.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:43 am to bfniii
quote:
it's pretty bad because we aren't even making it there
quote:So you look at a ten year period when it suits you and a 1 year period when it suits you. Got it.
I would say he's getting back to where the program should be. That would be 2 out of the last 3 years which is excellent.
quote:3 out of 4. We are a top 10 facility but not the top. Never really were. But you're forgetting one big component. We don't compete with other schools... we compete with the MLB. We have to take chances on recruits because there's no telling if they go or stay. We are at the mercy of the draft more often than not. But when we do get the talent here, we have to rely on coaching. It's not always there. But PM has made changes (at least 1 forced). But they've been improvements. There is no other Skip. He's gone. No one is like him and no one will win like him.
Lsu has the most money, the best facilities, the most fans, the most visibility, etc.
I'm not saying our expectations should be low. I've already said that a CWS championship is where they need to be. But there's what we expect and want and then there's the teams that take the field. Those aren't always related.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:29 pm to ell_13
quote:2 out of 3 is a very good trend that helps erase the sting of stony brook and Houston.
So you look at a ten year period when it suits you and a 1 year period when it suits you
quote:There is no baseball program that has better facilities than lsu. And when considering all the other factors I listed, lsu is 2nd to none. But the postseason results aren't 2nd to none.
We are a top 10 facility but not the top
quote:every top program has this issue. It shouldn't be an excuse for the recent absence from omaha.
we compete with the MLB
quote:I'm not talking about something as subjective as fan expectations. Lsu is objectively the most elite program in america but the results don't match the stature.
what we expect
Btw, ky fans are scoffing at the notion that the basketball equivalent of mainieri's last 5 seasons would be acceptable.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:00 pm to bfniii
quote:
2 out of 3 is a very good trend that helps erase the sting of stony brook and Houston
So this year quells all your criticisms. I told you I get it.quote:
There is no baseball program that has better facilities than lsu.
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lsu is 2nd to none. But the postseason results aren't 2nd to none.
quote:It's not an excuse. It's a fact. And it makes things unpredictable regardless of money, facilities, and "stature".
every top program has this issue. It shouldn't be an excuse for the recent absence from omaha.
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Btw, ky fans are scoffing at the notion that the basketball equivalent of mainieri's last 5 seasons would be acceptable.
The fact that you are using college basketball results as a measuring stick for baseball.... Wait, I can't stop laughing... This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:14 pm to bfniii
Put the pipe down junior.. yikes so much dumb..
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:15 pm to ell_13
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Stony brook was better than us that year.
Only because we choked that weekend and our offensive philosphy for the weekend was borderline retarded. Let's not forget that LSU won the SEC regular season (better judge of depth than the SECT) by beating South Carolina at South Carolina on the last weekend of the regular season. USC made it to the CWS championship series that year.
Game 1 couldn't have played out any better for us by digging into an already thin Stony Brook bullpen by going several extra innings. Stony Brook's ace pitcher had thrown two games the previous weekend in Miami (Friday and Monday). All we had to do was be patient, work the counts, and wear them down. But the Paul Mainieri/Javi Sanchez offensive philosophy is to swing at the first pitch that crosses between the two batter's boxes. Then when you get a runner on base, hit and run early in the count to force the action. Stony Brook could swing the bats very well. I give them credit for that. But their pitching staff was not Omaha-quality, and when they got abused in Omaha some of that was proven.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:28 pm to ell_13
quote:you're not so good at this newfangled activity called debate, are you? Your laughy emoticons don't really constitute an actual position.
ell_13
Name the programs that are more elite than lsu and list your criteria. Name the programs that have better facilities than lsu. Name the programs that have more money and more exposure than lsu. This ought to be entertaining.
quote:it's also a fact that all of the top programs have to navigate those waters.
It's a fact.
quote:it's called an analogy. It's used to make a point using something roughly equivalent, which it is. Perhaps you don't understand the analogy. If you do, enlighten us
you are using college basketball results as a measuring stick for baseball
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:30 pm to TigerBait2008
quote:good grief. Yet another ranter response. Very helpful
Put the pipe down junior.. yikes so much dumb..
Posted on 5/5/15 at 1:33 pm to Choupique19
quote:
But the Paul Mainieri/Javi Sanchez offensive philosophy is to swing at the first pitch that crosses between the two batter's boxes.
Is that any different than the current philosophy?
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