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re: Thoughts on the quality of the umpiring
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:44 pm to SaturdayTraditions
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:44 pm to SaturdayTraditions
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2017-2018 NCAA Baseball Rules Book
Thanks for the link to the Rules Book. After looking at some of the book, I came across "Rule 2/Definitions/The Strike Zone". It shows a diagram of what the strike zone should look like. After seeing this, some of those umps at the CWS need to brush up on what the definition of a strike zone is.
I know each individual ump has his own "zone", but man, some of those guys really were are over the place with their calls. I'm not saying LSU didn't benefit from some of these calls, but if the're going to call everything else by the letter of the law, such as base running or leaning into pitches for example, they should try to get their shite together on calling a ball a ball, and a strike a strike.
Anyway, disappointing ending to a great season. Florida was the better team the past couple of days and LSU shot themselves in the foot with errors and mental mistakes. But most people (especially here on the rant) didn't give the Tigers a snowballs chance in hell to make it to the Championship Series.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:54 pm to earl keese
Umps were terrible all tourney.
Strikezones all over the place.
Fair foul calls they couldn't get right.
Safe/out at 1st.
The call at 2nd was correct....but the rule is dumb. The run should score.
UF had a similar issue in SR vs Wake. Shallow fly to CF and OFer drops ball on the exchange. 1 ump rules carch drop one rules no catch.
Base runners had tagged up and moved but were forced to return to their bag. Correct call; bad rule.
Biggest issue that went against LSU was the missed strike on the bunt attempt they called a ball. How do 6 umps liss that?
Strikezones all over the place.
Fair foul calls they couldn't get right.
Safe/out at 1st.
The call at 2nd was correct....but the rule is dumb. The run should score.
UF had a similar issue in SR vs Wake. Shallow fly to CF and OFer drops ball on the exchange. 1 ump rules carch drop one rules no catch.
Base runners had tagged up and moved but were forced to return to their bag. Correct call; bad rule.
Biggest issue that went against LSU was the missed strike on the bunt attempt they called a ball. How do 6 umps liss that?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:03 pm to earl keese
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I know each individual ump has his own "zone", but man, some of those guys really were are over the place with their calls. I'm not saying LSU didn't benefit from some of these calls, but if the're going to call everything else by the letter of the law, such as base running or leaning into pitches for example, they should try to get their shite together on calling a ball a ball, and a strike a strike.
I get what you are saying, but just remember, on the HBP, and the slide play, it is cut and dry with focal points and definitive visual information. The strike zone on the other hand is the application of an invisible, floating, three dimensional object... It is easier to miss some of those calls.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:06 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
Why don't umpires shout "too close to call" or "I haven't a clue" or "I missed it"...they may be wrong but they are never in doubt.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:10 pm to eastside45ydln
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Why don't umpires shout "too close to call" or "I haven't a clue" or "I missed it"...they may be wrong but they are never in doubt.
How do you see that playing out?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:15 pm to GvilleChompers
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The call at 2nd was correct....but the rule is dumb. The run should score.
That rule is in place to deter those types of slides from ever happening. You can really hurt somebody going in that way
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:25 pm to TigerJeff
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Yes. I understand split-second calls, human error. What I'm talking about though is umps with an agenda, like the "stay here, stay here!" guy. He obviously believes that batters leaning into pitches is a problem and he's taken it upon himself to make (to the point of ridiculous excess) it a point in his calls.
1st game, he told Slaughter to "stay here, stay here!" when it was obvious Slaughter could have literally done nothing to get out of the way of the pitch. However, last night, different ump, had no problem with the Florida batter leaning into a pitch.
What about when the home plate umpire screams "BOOM" for an out on a play at the plate. Like it was a dam slow pitch softball game.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:33 pm to minvielle
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What about when the home plate umpire screams "BOOM" for an out on a play at the plate. Like it was a dam slow pitch softball game.
On a bang-bang play this happens way more often than you know. More out of the sheer excitement of a big situation and the umpire knowing he got it right. It is tougher than you think to say "he's out" when you are reading the throw/tag/slide and analyzing that info quickly. So you just say what comes to your mind first, and since your body is essentially throwing a punch, it just comes natural to say "boom!"
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:56 pm to SaturdayTraditions
Was it not OSU/LSU game 1 when an OSU runner slid into 2nd, 1 foot into bag, other foot contacting defender on RF side of the bag that went uncalled? Even that should have been called interference by the rule. I remember a lot of wipe out slides @ the SEC tourney 6 - 8 years ago and a lot of coaches pushing for uniform rules for player safety.
My biggest gripe with the umps was strike zone. To LH batters some continually called strikes on pitches over the inner chalk line of the RH box which never came close to crossing the front outside corner. That shite happened over and over and was a joke, especially from where the ump was setting up. Whatevs, the team with the best quality pitching depth won, Tigers pushed them hard until the end.
My biggest gripe with the umps was strike zone. To LH batters some continually called strikes on pitches over the inner chalk line of the RH box which never came close to crossing the front outside corner. That shite happened over and over and was a joke, especially from where the ump was setting up. Whatevs, the team with the best quality pitching depth won, Tigers pushed them hard until the end.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:59 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
The quality of the umpiring the entire CWS was beyond awful. However, it was so universally bad that you can't say one team benefited over another. All the teams were pretty equal in getting the benefit of, and screwed over by, bad calls.
Look at the fan bases of all 8 teams. They all complained.
It's hard to believe these are the best in the country in college baseball.
Look at the fan bases of all 8 teams. They all complained.
It's hard to believe these are the best in the country in college baseball.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
That be-speckled Jerk at second was the crew chief and simply had to get his arse on TV. Twice to be exact...once on the play at first and then at second.
I thought the call at second was borderline and should not be called at that time in the game.
Florida fairly won. This LSU team over achieved and just did not have the secondary pitching necessary to win it all.
I thought the call at second was borderline and should not be called at that time in the game.
Florida fairly won. This LSU team over achieved and just did not have the secondary pitching necessary to win it all.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:24 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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digital strike zone.
Needs to happen. The strike zone was terrible and inconsistent for the entire CWS.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:27 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
Worst overall that I have seen. Thought they would be top notch
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:21 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
Turrible. The kid turned the double play.
How TF do you take a run off the board and send the runner back to third when they turned the double play?
How TF do you take a run off the board and send the runner back to third when they turned the double play?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:35 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
I think the microphones have to go. One discussion, that didn't need to even occur was a call at first base. Our overzealous crew chief (2nd base) asked every other ump if they saw the play, obviously trying to look and sound professional for the cameras. There's an ump at first for a reason, no need to try and overrule with umps from different angles. Then the "Boom!" Call when Kramer got called out at the plate. Boom? Really? Tell me TV didn't have something to do with that.
Umps should be in the background.
Umps should be in the background.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:37 pm to SaturdayTraditions
Explain to me how incorrectly assuming that two separate umpires who were both animated behind the plate and had similar 'wtf' strike zones at times is racist.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:38 pm to Number 31
quote:I've read and heard that it was the correct call "by the book."
Turrible. The kid turned the double play. How TF do you take a run off the board and send the runner back to third when they turned the double play?
Well, let's examine what "the book" says about what constitutes a Strike, if we're going to be "by the book."
You don't make this call, period. That ump wanted notoriety.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:43 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
crooked
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:43 pm to Mulat
quote:Its clear on the strike zone too, but is the game called like it?
Seems to me the rule is clear
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:49 pm to Carville
Is there a clear definition on the strike zone? Honest question.
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