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re: This was all very predictable: results vs process

Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by The Gunslinger
Member since Jul 2009
408 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:19 pm to
I think this has been the inevitable result of the performances we've seen from this staff.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

"A win is a win" is perhaps the stupidest mantra in all of college football.


pretty close (maybe overlaps) to the concept of
we are 8-2...prior to Ole Miss
all must be well.

Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10463 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:45 pm to
Excellent post JT, please tell my wife this. I have been bringing this up for 5-years and she is what I would characterize as a Miles apologist, she doesn't like the conversation and now we no longer sit together or watch games in the same room if on TV. She calls me a Saban lover, it's not that it's his plan and long term direction that produces results, one can easily tell the man is way above average as a coach and program builder. Can't help it, call it like I see it, and that is why many of us have felt so frustrated watching games under Miles with so many continual minor mistakes at key moments made on the sidelines and on the field which end up snowballing into big setbacks by game's end. I'm over it, something changes or it doesn't, but without change the program will never be what it was.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:47 pm to
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think maybe there is a chance that Miles suffers debilitating panic attacks in these situations. He was literally incoherent during the on-field interview.


pretty much a textbook choke job...one could also compare it to buck fever.
Posted by EST
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
18083 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

. And most importantly - this is why you don't reward luck with fat contracts when it's crystal clear that the decision-making is abysmal.


+1
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30892 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:55 pm to
I've been with you on this topic all along, it's all very Sabanesque "relative to the process of winning.." and "the now missing minutiae" at LSU.

One guy hammered his players for being late to meetings, made 'em run..the other can't show up for his own pressers nor booster speaking engagements on time.

The 'tells' were there from jumpstreet in 2005.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
115713 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:04 pm to
If your theory is correct why was Saban such a horrible failure in the NFL?
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8902 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:12 pm to
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If your theory is correct why was Saban such a horrible failure in the NFL?


Parity.

And it's hard to tell a multi-million dollar player that is more valuable to the franchise than the coach that: "You are playing for your scholarship today."

Saban's tyrant like qualities of intimidation work great on 18-22 year olds playing for a shot in the NFL. Not so great on NFL Veterans who can quit on him and get him fired in a year.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
115713 posts
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:32 pm to
That doesn't explain Jersey's theory at all. The NFL has parity due to the draft. College success requires recruiting. But Jersey didn't say Miles should be fired because he was a bad recruiter.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:05 am to
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It also looked like the state trooper had to tell Miles that the game was over.


That was nothing compared to the august LSU policeman on the other side!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:23 am to
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If your theory is correct why was Saban such a horrible failure in the NFL?


Well, he only coached 2 years in the NFL right??

Who knows, but I bet he woulda gotten much better??

I mean, Belichek didnt set the NFL world on fire his 1st 2 years coaching, but it's kinda worked out for him.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
28643 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:31 am to
quote:

I mean, Belichek didnt set the NFL world on fire his 1st 2 years coaching, but it's kinda worked out for him.


That's the dude that cheated right? I'm not that big of an NFL fan.

ETA: He coaches the Pats right? Yeah, he sometimes has brain farts even on Monday night football.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 3:33 am
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:38 am to
One of the best posts ever on the rant. I totally agree with you and this TRUTH that you have stated is what I have been feeling the entire time Miles has been at LSU.

Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30892 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:38 am to
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I mean, Belichek didnt set the NFL world on fire his 1st 2 years coaching, but it's kinda worked out for him.


Having many of the best players in your league, that also never graduate nor run out of eligibility, doesn't hurt neither.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112430 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:50 am to
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Having many of the best players in your league, that also never graduate nor run out of eligibility, doesn't hurt neither.


What does that have to do with anything that I said?
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:50 pm to
quote:


I mean, Belichek didnt set the NFL world on fire his 1st 2 years coaching, but it's kinda worked out for him.


Get back to me when Miles has any process in place that even remotely resembles Belichick quality.
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