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re: This isn’t Les Miles’ offense going up against the self proclaimed greatest OC on turf!

Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:00 pm to
I mean Ole Miss has also faced the #17 & #22 ranked defenses in terms of points allowed. Ole Miss's defense is #33. The highest LSU has faced is FSU at #56.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:16 pm to
With the emergence of Thomas along with Nabers , LSU is more explosive.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:23 pm to
Tulane has played South Alabama, Southern Miss, and Nichols. It's almost like you don't understand how competition can impact rankings with such a small sample size. If you really think Tulane has a better defense than LSU, FSU, and Miss. State I really feel very sorry for you.
Posted by chaso
clinton ms.
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
Half our yards came from Grambling what's your point?
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:33 pm to
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Half our yards came from Grambling what's your point?


We've also put up over 500 yards in both of our SEC games while Ole Miss ran for 89 yards and had 350 yards against Tulane. Again I'm not really discrediting the Ole Miss offense as much as I'm praising the LSU offense. LSU has an elite offense. Ole Miss does not.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:49 pm to
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Tulane has played South Alabama, Southern Miss, and Nichols. It's almost like you don't understand how competition can impact rankings with such a small sample size. If you really think Tulane has a better defense than LSU, FSU, and Miss. State I really feel very sorry for you.


Because you are just making statements with nothing to back them up. The only thing you are basing your thoughts on is the fact that they didn't rush for 100 yards against two top 25 defenses. If you think that Miss St is better than Tulane just because they are in the SEC, I feel sorry for you as well.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:54 pm to
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Because you are just making statements with nothing to back them up. The only thing you are basing your thoughts on is the fact that they didn't rush for 100 yards against two top 25 defenses. If you think that Miss St is better than Tulane just because they are in the SEC, I feel sorry for you as well.


I'm saying you can't just say Tulane's defense is better than Miss. State, LSU, and FSU based on defensive rankings 4 games into the season where Tulane has played 3 horrible teams. If FSU or LSU would have played that same schedule their defense would be ranked as high if not higher. The current defensive ranking for yards per game or points per game means absolutely nothing when comparing defenses that have played vastly different schedules.

Air Force is ranked #2 in total defense higher than

Bama
Ohio State
Florida
Michigan
Oregon
Clemson
ect

I guess I just have to blindly say that Air Force is better on defense than those teams because the rankings told me so.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:02 pm to
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The only thing you are basing your thoughts on
is a comparison of PPG, where LSU and Ole Miss appear pretty even. But that's a pretty useless stat at this point in the season and by more objective stats, LSU's offense looks better. Not by a country mile, but clearly everyone agrees LSU has a better offense. If nothing else, being favored on the road proves this (unless you want to argue that the oddsmakers are counting on LSU's defense to be the difference in the game).
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13798 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:02 pm to
I get that. But can you give me one reason why you think that Miss St has a defense that is better than Tulane? Or can you address the fact that Ole Miss has a similarly ranked offense to LSU even though they have played a game against the #17 defenses in Alabama, which is far better than anything LSU has played against?
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13798 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:07 pm to
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is a comparison of PPG, where LSU and Ole Miss appear pretty even. But that's a pretty useless stat at this point in the season and by more objective stats, LSU's offense looks better. Not by a country mile, but clearly everyone agrees LSU has a better offense. If nothing else, being favored on the road proves this (unless you want to argue that the oddsmakers are counting on LSU's defense to be the difference in the game).

I never said LSU didn't have a better offense. I was responding to someone who said that the two offenses were "not even close"
Posted by redfishfan
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:14 pm to
I’m saying the only 2 defenses with a pulse gave Ole Miss trouble. They are average at best on the ground and Jaxon Dart hovers around high 50% completion percentage and has only thrown 3tds to 2ints on around 250 yards per game if you take away the Mercer game. Compare that to Jayden Daniels who has 7tds to 2ints on about 340 yards per game if you take away his game against Grambling.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
689 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

I never said LSU didn't have a better offense. I was responding to someone who said that the two offenses were "not even close"
Have no interest in bickering, but c'mon, this is gaslighting. You said this...
quote:

LSU averages 42.8 PPG, Ole Miss averages 42.0 PPG. The offenses are pretty evenly matched.
to the OP, who said
quote:

the no1 offense in the SEC, it’s more high powered than Ole Miss’, GA’s and Alabama’s
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13798 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

LSU averages 42.8 PPG, Ole Miss averages 42.0 PPG. The offenses are pretty evenly matched.

I'm confused. Is that not pretty evenly matched? Especially when one of those teams has played a significantly better defense than the other?
Redfish responded to that with this:
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Not even close. Well over half of Ole Miss's yardage comes against Mercer and Georgia Tech.

without acknowledging that over half of our yards came against Grambling and Miss St.

There isn't some huge difference between LSU's and Ole Miss's SOS at this point.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
689 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:48 pm to
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I'm confused. Is that not pretty evenly matched?
I did an entire reply explaining why that's not a relevant stat at this point in the season. In case you missed it, this is what I said:

Not really a relevant stat at this stage of the season. I'm not saying OM is shite, but LSU has a meaningful edge in offensive production:

LSU
Off Possessions: 42
Touchdowns: 22
Field Goals: 5
Punts/Turnovers: 11
Half/Garbage time: 4

Ole Miss
Off Possessions: 46
Touchdowns: 19
Field Goals: 7
Punts/Turnovers: 19
Half/Garbage time: 1

This looks even more in LSU's favor if you exclude the losses to Fla. State and Alabama.

eta: The fact that Ole Miss has had 10% more possessions than LSU kind of explains why PPG is so close, even though LSU has been better when they have the ball.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13798 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:59 pm to
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I did an entire reply explaining why that's not a relevant stat at this point in the season.

I saw. I don’t think it’s totally irrelevant because how many points you score in the game is pretty important. If you want to argue that Ole Miss is more efficient on offense, those numbers would back that up. But to say they aren’t pretty evenly matched when they score the same amount of points per game is dumb. Because at the end of the day, when evaluating an offense, the single most important stat is how many points they score.
Posted by stooping spooner 9
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:06 pm to
Okay guy
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:13 pm to
Why are we assuming Alabama is an elite defense?

because they beat Ole Missv

They gave up 34 to Texas.

Rice allowed 37
Wyoming 31
Baylor 38

Texas hasn’t scored 40 points all season.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13798 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:21 pm to
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Why are we assuming Alabama is an elite defense?

And despite giving up 34 to Texas, they are still the 17th ranked defense in the country. Why are you acting like your cherry picked stats are more meaningful than current overall rankings? Give your reasons to think that LSU has faced a defense even remotely close to that of Alabama’s.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
689 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:34 pm to
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f you want to argue that Ole Miss is more efficient on offense, those numbers would back that up
Now I have no idea what you think you're saying. Those numbers show precisely the opposite; that LSU's offense is more efficient - it scores more often. And to argue that PPG is somehow the final arbiter proving they're "pretty evenly matched" is what's "dumb", as you yourself have argued ad-nauseum that quality of opponents is relevant at this point in the season and skews such stats.

Further, if you take out each team's losses, LSU looks even more efficient. That is even MORE impressive when you consider that 2 of LSU's 3 wins were early blowouts, while OM needed to keep the foot on the pedal into the 4th quarter against Tulane and Ga. Tech. (i.e., OM should have been more efficient than LSU in it's 3 wins, but was actually less efficient.)

the only reason OM's PPG is near LSU's is because they have 4 more offensive possessions, which at this point of the season is 10% of the total.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76218 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

And despite giving up 34 to Texas, they are still the 17th ranked defense in the country.


we’re 4 games in.

half their games are against USF and Middle Tennessee.

perhaps Ole Miss stinks.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 4:00 pm
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