re: this is what pisses me off about the bcs

Look you fcking idiot, your argument is pure homerism. You make flaming comments that TCU has played patsys when in reality they are one of only a select few teams that have played 4 or more teams that were ranked at some point in the top 25 this year. At the same time you throw out that they need to play a BCS schedule and ignore the fact that outside of the SEC no team has played and beaten more teams ranked in the top 25 at some point this year than TCU. You misdiret your disapproval at the non AQ schools when your real agenda is that the SECCG is really the NC and no other team in the nation could possibly deserve it due to a weak schedule. If that is the point you want to make I can not argue as the SEC is clearly the dominant confernce, but stop spouting BS and own up to that stance.

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what are we arguing about?

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The idea that TCU does not deserve a shot at the NC
The idea that TCU has scheduled patsys when that is false
The idea that they dont deserve respect for what they have accomplished
The idea that they have sole control of which "top" BCS opponents they schedule and TCU cowardly chose to play lesser opponents, which is false
The simultaneous statment the they dont deserve a their ranking becasue we cant judge how the would do against a "good" opponent while at the same time definetively saying that they would lose 3-4-5 game if they played in X conference.
And the multitude of ignorant and wrong assumptions and accusations in this thread.

You continue to answer with emoticons as you have little to content to argue.

Here's the deal, and why it is so complicated.

The argument is that because of their schedules, TCU, Boise State, etc, do not deserve a shot at the national title. This has been the argument for years, leaving teams like Tulane (1998), Utah a few times, Boise State, Hawaii, etc, out of consideration.

Now, we get to recent years, and these teams have gotten to BCS games, earning the name "BCS busters" in the process. It was all fun and good until these teams started winning BCS games against big-time BCS programs.

So, the next step was to belittle teams like Boise State and TCU and Utah and suggest that their wins were the result of bush-league trickery (Boise State vs OU) or the result of a motivated underdog facing a deflated team with nothing to play for (Utah vs Bama). (Or they are belittled for having blue fields, which is one reason why I have so much trouble taking Boise State seriously at all, but that's another issue entirely).

I believe that the next logical step is to see one of these teams in the big game, with everything on the line, and to see what happens. There are 4 possible scenarios, and 3 of them benefit the Boise/TCUs of the world. A big win by a BCS school over Boise/TCU demonstrates that these guys really are pretenders. A close win by either side demonstrates that these guys deserve a shot to play with the big boys. A blowout by Boise/TCU demonstrates their worthiness and makes everyone else look retarded.

As an added wrinkle, when everyone wanted to fire Les a few weeks ago, two names that continually popped up in thread after thread were Gary Patterson and Chris Peterson...strangely enough, the coaches of the programs that we all feel are unworthy or illegitimate are suddenly attractive to LSU fans. In the end, the only way we'll ever know if TCU or Boise (or some other team like that) belong in the title game is if they get there.

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There is NO WAY TCU or Boise St being undefeated should be ranked ahead of any one loss team from a real conference.

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Let's just take that argument to Oregon, who has played next to nobody, yet is sitting pretty for a title shot this year. In the end, the only way to tell if TCU deserves a shot is to let them play for it all. If they win, what's the excuse going to be for why they were let in?

Dude you don't play in a creditable conference, and you do play a weak schedule, but you do have great success getting up for your one big game a year. Know does that make you happy? Don't come on here tooting your teams horn when they have not proven nothing except that they can go undefeated with a weak schedule. Your on the wrong board for that. Maybe you should be on Oregons board or Boise's. Get my drift. LSU is proven.

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Dude you don't play in a creditable conference, and you do play a weak schedule, but you do have great success getting up for your one big game a year. Know does that make you happy? Don't come on here tooting your teams horn when they have not proven nothing except that they can go undefeated with a weak schedule. Your on the wrong board for that. Maybe you should be on Oregons board or Boise's. Get my drift. LSU is proven.

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Dude, you are making LSU look really bad here. Just go away.

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Both of you chose a bad year to schedule a poor Oregon State squad as well.

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Texas and TexasTech were scheduled but backed out at the last min and we were stuck taking what we could get. Fortunately, if we had played TX we would have actually had a worse opponent.

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I see a team in Idaho that returns 21 starters from a squad that beat a 2009 TCU team that was better than this years team.

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TCU 2010 is better than TCU 2009. The TCU squad from 2008 which was not nearly as good as 2010 beat that same BSU team that you speak of.

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That same Boise team beat this the school that is currently this years #1.

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Org 2009 was not what Org 2010 is. For that matter LSU 2009 was not what 2010 is despite many of the same playmakers.

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My question to you is how can you make your case for being better than Boise, much less an undefeated or 1-loss SEC or Big 12 team?

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Bosie, the stats speak fo themselves
Undefeated SEC there is no case to be made, AUB is currently the best team in the nation. Undefeated big 12 doesnt exist.
1-Loss SEC or Big 12 depends on the opponents they have beaten and lost too and the way in which they have played.

Aub losing to either 2 loss bama or 3 loss SECE team in the SECCG would still have a valid argument to be in the NC assuming the loss was close.

LSU has an argument as a one loss especially if they get into the SECCG but if left out (which is likely) the lack of point margin in games may hurt LSU with he voters.

I would love to see AUB get embarrased twice, LSU to win the SECCG, and Org to drop one to Org state. I think this would put LSU & TCU in the NC. I just dont know who I would cheer for. Boise losing to Nevada would be a nice bonus.

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2) It is highly unlikely that a non-AQ team will make the BCSNCG this year.

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All it would take is one loss by either Oregon or Auburn (both play in state rivals on the road) and TCU not losing and they are in. That scenario is hardly "highly unlikely".

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3) In the old system, it was much easier for a non-AQ to win. See BYU, 1984.

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This is laughably stupid. It happend once under that system. Much better chance for them now.

imma go ahead and throw some spare change into this bitching well

i actually like tcu. and definitely tcu over boise if one of them has to get in.

that being said, i think what a lot of people here are trying to say is not so much the specific records or rankings of the teams they played, its the quality of athletes they play against. in the sec, for instance you play quality athletes as starters, these teams also have quality backups. not necessarily anything that a school such as tcu would ever see in an individual matchup, but its the consistent quality that wears down on a team. not only physically, but emotionally, and strategically. in situations like this you need your reserve players to be able to step up and compete on the same level as the starters. when you are able to blow a team out, these factors are more easily concealed. its one of the reasons why you see a lot of the bigger sec matchups go down to the 4th quarter; who will still be left standing? not only that, even if they win the game will they be able to come back and do it again next week? injuries occur in every game, sure. they tend to occur with more frequency in the bigger games though.

now what a lot of major conference supporters are claiming is that schools like tcu boise utah etc, have not had to withstand such a continuous and rigorous test through their season and are therefore undeserving. the problem is that it is near impossible to tell whether or not they could if they were given a chance. could a tcu or boise keep up or even excel with the schedule of a major conference? maybe. no one really knows, and this leads people to speculation which is objective and therefore subject to the disagreement we are currently experiencing.

its an argument with no right answer.

my opinion on the subject: as the system stands now, going undefeated is the only thing within their power that these midmajor schools can do. i would say that they probably should be allowed to play over others ONLY if their records are better. it would most likely happen this way if auburn and oregon stay undefeated. if one of them looses, its hard to put another team with a worse record in front of them.

the worst part about all of this is that either one of those teams could potentially win. and from that many people would judge them to be "the best team" when due to the previously mentioned restrictions, it may not even be so


that probably totaled about $0.85