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re: This is the dumbest most over reactive shite ever
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:49 pm to Penrod
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:49 pm to Penrod
That has nothing to with anything. Meaning the death rate has been reduced to almost nothing, meaning only the people that are old i.e. 70+ are really impacted and with proper medical help... basically down to nothing.
The spread of it is meaningless because everyone is going to have to go back to work and it will again spread just like the flu or similar.
How about this... you tell old people to stay home or risk their own lives... you don't shut everything down when you don't have the data to support the conclusion.
The spread of it is meaningless because everyone is going to have to go back to work and it will again spread just like the flu or similar.
How about this... you tell old people to stay home or risk their own lives... you don't shut everything down when you don't have the data to support the conclusion.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 4:56 pm
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:50 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:40 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The spread of it is meaningless because everyone is going to have to go back to work and it will again spread just like the flu or similar.
How about this... you tell old people to stay home or risk their own lives... you don't shut everything down when you don't have the data to support the conclusion.
I don’t agree that the spread doesn’t matter. There are many people who will survive infection if we can give them adequate health care, who will not survive if our capacity is greatly exceeded.
But the point I was making is that you keep using S Korea as your exemplar, saying all they did was isolate the vulnerable and give the infected quinine, or something. But that’s not true. The S Koreans were quick to eliminate large gatherings and practice social distancing.
Another thing I think you’re wrong on is that it’s not so simple as old people isolating themselves. You make a great point about groceries not stocking themselves, but the same is true for old people; they require a supply chain to stay alive. They can’t be isolated.
Last point: Donald Trump is super motivated to keep the economy going, and yet he is approving these steps. Do you think he’s been hypnotized, or something?
BTW, my wife just got a text that a friend who is a doctor at University Medical Center says they are running out of ventilators NOW, and that the patients are mostly from their 40’s to 70’s. Just one data point.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:48 pm to Penrod
It doesn't matter it will be back, South Korea didn't cure anything... the found a way to minimize the risks for everyone. I see nothing wrong with cancelling some large events, I mean that's an individual decision. As far as this whole, we must do everything to stop the spread.... well the choice is a market or one without a market.... at the end of the day it will probably blow up again.. unless the people getting it are immune, unknown but possible.
My parents started isolated themselves on Thursday, no its not necessarily that simple... much simpler than shutting everything else down.
The rate of spread can be limited to a degree but so can the flu, that's meaningless, eventually everyone needs food, water, electricity, medical supplies... these things are not coming forever without everyone getting back to work.
So... in the end... this is basically the flu, but if not treated properly it could be worse to the elderly or those with a condition.
99%+ of the people dying have a pre-existing condition from what I can tell. At the end of the day, what is the death rate if people destroy the economy... next will be the stock market shutdown, then the ATMS, etc. Hey, I'll take my chances with this virus over thunder doom.
None of this runs on magic is my point, if there were zombies walking around in mass, than yes, you do whatever it takes for the general population to survive... the numbers do not support this in any way.
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BTW here comes the rich people asking for hand outs... LOL They get rich on the way up and get richer on the way down.
Next up
- mega mass layoffs
- mega personal bankruptcies
- mega corporation bankruptcies
- rich people get saved by the taxpayers
- eventually stock market closes if this continues
- followed by bank holiday, which is not a holiday.. and no atms
So... keep it going.
My parents started isolated themselves on Thursday, no its not necessarily that simple... much simpler than shutting everything else down.
The rate of spread can be limited to a degree but so can the flu, that's meaningless, eventually everyone needs food, water, electricity, medical supplies... these things are not coming forever without everyone getting back to work.
So... in the end... this is basically the flu, but if not treated properly it could be worse to the elderly or those with a condition.
99%+ of the people dying have a pre-existing condition from what I can tell. At the end of the day, what is the death rate if people destroy the economy... next will be the stock market shutdown, then the ATMS, etc. Hey, I'll take my chances with this virus over thunder doom.
None of this runs on magic is my point, if there were zombies walking around in mass, than yes, you do whatever it takes for the general population to survive... the numbers do not support this in any way.
LINK
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Boeing, Which Repurchased Over $100BN In Stock, Is Downgraded To BBB, Seeks "Short-Term" Bailout
BTW here comes the rich people asking for hand outs... LOL They get rich on the way up and get richer on the way down.
Next up
- mega mass layoffs
- mega personal bankruptcies
- mega corporation bankruptcies
- rich people get saved by the taxpayers
- eventually stock market closes if this continues
- followed by bank holiday, which is not a holiday.. and no atms
So... keep it going.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:08 pm to Ice Cold
You get it, unfortunately you don’t get second chances at things like this. I would rather us look back and laugh, but regardless.. all of this is so unprecedented and people above us obviously know things that we don’t.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:10 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
S Korea limited the active cases to a number they could handle. That saved many lives. Part of that was cancelling ALL large events. That was absolutely necessary. Anyone who doesn’t understand that is woefully uninformed.
You are right about people needing to get back to work, and I said so in my previous post.
Of course, we can’t destroy the economy, and we haven’t yet. We can’t afford for everyone to be shut in more than (I’m guessing here) three weeks? At that point we should mostly go back to work. We should continue with an outright ban on large gatherings, and we should increase, or decrease, the prohibitions to maintain the active cases at an amount that yields critical cases in numbers we can handle.
We will obviously not endure so much that we shut down the economy.
Your statement that this is basically the flu is absurd. You should be ashamed of that one. What do you think of University running out of ventilators already? If we did not take the steps to isolate people they would be dealing with way more patients than they can handle. It does not seem to bother you as long as they had pre-existing conditions or were old.
As you pointed out, the S Koreans are managing this without shutting down their economy. Let’s do it like them, but don’t cherry pick what they’re doing; we have to do it all. That includes ZERO public gatherings like sporting events, concerts, etc. They ARE allowing restaurants to remain open and businesses to stay open.
You are right about people needing to get back to work, and I said so in my previous post.
Of course, we can’t destroy the economy, and we haven’t yet. We can’t afford for everyone to be shut in more than (I’m guessing here) three weeks? At that point we should mostly go back to work. We should continue with an outright ban on large gatherings, and we should increase, or decrease, the prohibitions to maintain the active cases at an amount that yields critical cases in numbers we can handle.
We will obviously not endure so much that we shut down the economy.
Your statement that this is basically the flu is absurd. You should be ashamed of that one. What do you think of University running out of ventilators already? If we did not take the steps to isolate people they would be dealing with way more patients than they can handle. It does not seem to bother you as long as they had pre-existing conditions or were old.
As you pointed out, the S Koreans are managing this without shutting down their economy. Let’s do it like them, but don’t cherry pick what they’re doing; we have to do it all. That includes ZERO public gatherings like sporting events, concerts, etc. They ARE allowing restaurants to remain open and businesses to stay open.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:10 pm to mjax57
But you won't be laughing, you'll be in place with no economic system... matter of fact, I'm not even sure this one would survive at this stage if people don't actually woke up to this stupidity soon.
And yes.... that is where this is going.
Yes, but now we know, we have data to go on... old people stay home, everyone else get to work. Most likely but not proven, is anti-Malaria medicine... this has apparently also drop the death rate significantly to almost below flu death rates.
This isn't complex at this point, there isn't much for us to do... tell older people and people with serious conditions not to go out in public and to isolate if they can, next up... proper medical treatment which it doesn't seem like anyone is doing other than South Korea... shutting everything down makes no sense at this point... WE HAVE DATA <- they didn't have data.
The vast majority of the public is not in danger in the slightest, the exception should take precautions.
What the data shows is this is disease for the elder and with pre-existing conditions... if you don't have a pre-existing condition.. you might have not know... but 99%+ of them do that die.
This isn't complex... there is plenty of data at this point.
LINK /
The people in this country have been rick rolled.
And yes.... that is where this is going.
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Part of that was cancelling ALL large events.
Yes, but now we know, we have data to go on... old people stay home, everyone else get to work. Most likely but not proven, is anti-Malaria medicine... this has apparently also drop the death rate significantly to almost below flu death rates.
This isn't complex at this point, there isn't much for us to do... tell older people and people with serious conditions not to go out in public and to isolate if they can, next up... proper medical treatment which it doesn't seem like anyone is doing other than South Korea... shutting everything down makes no sense at this point... WE HAVE DATA <- they didn't have data.
The vast majority of the public is not in danger in the slightest, the exception should take precautions.
What the data shows is this is disease for the elder and with pre-existing conditions... if you don't have a pre-existing condition.. you might have not know... but 99%+ of them do that die.
This isn't complex... there is plenty of data at this point.
LINK /
The people in this country have been rick rolled.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:19 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
I’m talking about the sports aspect of this.. I understand the potential economic and health care system impact that this can bring.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:24 pm to Penrod
quote:
BTW, my wife just got a text that a friend who is a doctor at University Medical Center says they are running out of ventilators NOW, and that the patients are mostly from their 40’s to 70’s. Just one data point.
Can confirm the same at other area hospitals in the New Orleans area.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:27 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
You are talking out of your arse and have zero experience with dealing with anyone even remotely ill right now.
If you are so concerned about the stock market buy fricking stocks. It’s a buyers market right now anyway.
If you are so concerned about the stock market buy fricking stocks. It’s a buyers market right now anyway.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:29 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
The vast majority of people are in their 70-80s that die, and 99%+ of them have a pre-existing condition.
Its appears they should be treated with anti-malaria/hiv drugs, see the numerous releases by South Korean doctors.
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LINK
Of course, beds make more money.
I have already provided the numerous links on the numbers including this post dumbass, you've been rick rolled.
Probably nearly half the people getting this have no idea they have anything, no symptoms.... they're not even included in the numbers.
LINK
Most of this is covered here as well.
Young people generally have no fear of this thing, unless they get struck by lighting... some people could have symptoms, some people might feel symptoms... very few people will have serious symptoms.... and only the people with pre-existing conditions... and most likely 70+ will have any real chance of dying.
Its appears they should be treated with anti-malaria/hiv drugs, see the numerous releases by South Korean doctors.
LINK /
LINK
Of course, beds make more money.
quote:
You are talking out of your arse and have zero experience with dealing with anyone even remotely ill right now. If you are so concerned about the stock market buy fricking stocks. It’s a buyers market right now anyway.
I have already provided the numerous links on the numbers including this post dumbass, you've been rick rolled.
Probably nearly half the people getting this have no idea they have anything, no symptoms.... they're not even included in the numbers.
LINK
Most of this is covered here as well.
Young people generally have no fear of this thing, unless they get struck by lighting... some people could have symptoms, some people might feel symptoms... very few people will have serious symptoms.... and only the people with pre-existing conditions... and most likely 70+ will have any real chance of dying.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:34 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
You are wrong on the death rate being non-existent. It has gone up every day- granted the totals are small, but are you willing to give one of your family members in tomorrow's death totals??
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:36 pm to kkv75
I could have a family member die of the flu or typoid but I don't see them shutting down the country for that.
Its called context. Literally, living is dangerous for one's health. I know if there is no economy, the chances of feeding 350 million is not good.
The death rate for less than 70 is not high at all, and also requires a pre-existing condition... most young people probably won't even know they have it. Of course, in the US, it doesn't appear they are following S.K. in giving anti-malaria/hiv drugs... which appear to be effective.
It appears that anti-malaria/hiv drugs are effective at reducing the death rate for those elder/sick people to near flu rate death rate numbers. Young people and healthy people generally have no real fear of dying of this, most might never even suspect they have it.
The death rates are not even accurate, as people are getting it... and have no idea, no symptoms.
Its called context. Literally, living is dangerous for one's health. I know if there is no economy, the chances of feeding 350 million is not good.
quote:
You are wrong on the death rate being non-existent.
The death rate for less than 70 is not high at all, and also requires a pre-existing condition... most young people probably won't even know they have it. Of course, in the US, it doesn't appear they are following S.K. in giving anti-malaria/hiv drugs... which appear to be effective.
It appears that anti-malaria/hiv drugs are effective at reducing the death rate for those elder/sick people to near flu rate death rate numbers. Young people and healthy people generally have no real fear of dying of this, most might never even suspect they have it.
The death rates are not even accurate, as people are getting it... and have no idea, no symptoms.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:42 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
I think it’s time you start writing in a journal. Nobody is listening to you.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:43 pm to Chet Donnely
Apparently you are. LOL
Basically, you guys have been rick rolled, and instead of admitting your stupidity... you attack the messenger. Literally, the data does not even come close to support any of this stupidity... but hey, you fricked the economic system, bravo. Next step... unemployment sign up.
Basically, you guys have been rick rolled, and instead of admitting your stupidity... you attack the messenger. Literally, the data does not even come close to support any of this stupidity... but hey, you fricked the economic system, bravo. Next step... unemployment sign up.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:45 pm to VOR
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Do you think the immunologists and physicians are in on the scam? My friend who teaches immunology at LSU Med School assures me this shite is real
I just want to know how you can explain this is trumps fault...
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:01 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Keep going. Don’t stop now. Get it all out Nancy.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:03 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
LINK
This is the stupidity we are living in, where I live, school is closed. Kids come in to eat and go back home. LOL I know, my neighbor down road works in the cafeteria and is back at work.
What? LOL
LINK
Oh btw, this is for the rich, they will be getting their money from you the taxpayer.
This is the stupidity we are living in, where I live, school is closed. Kids come in to eat and go back home. LOL I know, my neighbor down road works in the cafeteria and is back at work.
What? LOL
LINK
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The biggest U.S. airlines spent 96% of free cash flow last decade on buying back their own shares. American Airlines Group Inc. -- which is not shown in the chart but is included in overall figures -- led the pack, with negative cumulative free cash flow during the decade while it repurchased more than $12.5 billion of its shares. United Airlines Holdings Inc. used 80% of its free cash flow on buybacks, while the S&P 500 Index as a whole allocated about 50% for the purpose. As the industry reels under the weight of the coronavirus outbreak corporate leaders are seeking federal assistance to ease the burden.
Oh btw, this is for the rich, they will be getting their money from you the taxpayer.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:21 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Death rate started at 3.4% a few days ago and has been at about 3.9% for 2 days. Where you are getting going down I don’t know. But carry on.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:31 pm to ShockSpot
I gave the figures, the figures don't even include all infected as a good portion have no symptoms or no significant symptoms. I can't help you if you can't click on a link and read. This was never really a problem, but any issues appear to be solved by South Korea basically in January.
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