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re: This is getting ridiculous and old.....
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:49 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:49 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Where he laid an egg and didn't cross the 50 yard line...really? That's your comeback?
Awesome. How many other coaches have played in 2 NCG and have been 1-1?
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7 of them were ugly,
You're king of the "I'd rather lose pretty than win ugly" club.
He's been "ugly" for a few years now and he's still successful. The complete decline of Les Miles that all of you thought would eventually come, still hasn't.
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but to say that there wouldn't be some good choices from a large pool of candidates just isn't true.
Thinking it'd be a large pool of capable candidates is just ridiculous.
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:50 am to Prominentwon
I'm not sure a Miles to Arkansas would have that much of an effect on recruiting (re: kids being diverted to ark bc of miles).
If the next coach kept Wilson, and hired strong recruiters with inherent LA ties, those Miles ties would be loosened to a pretty great extent, again, IMO.
If the next coach kept Wilson, and hired strong recruiters with inherent LA ties, those Miles ties would be loosened to a pretty great extent, again, IMO.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:50 am to drexyl
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i bet you could find a lot of Nebraska/Tennessee/USC/Alabama/Michigan fans that said the same thing over the past 15 years.
Half these guys seem to think LSU is invincible.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:52 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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LSU is in a completely different place than the Nebraska's of the world. We have momentum, high visibility, recruiting, no in state rival, money, facilities, etc all on our side. Do you guys really beleive that no good coach will want to come here? What planet are you living on? It's a coaches dream to come here and just pick up the ball and start running with it. You don't have to rebuild anything, it's the same thing Miles did when he came here, just continue rolling.
There were plenty of successful programs who's coaches left them that made great hires at the time, then go on to fail.
Yes it's possible that a new guy would come in here and keep things rolling, but it's just as likely that a new guy will come in and fail. A good coach at a different program now, doesn't equate to success at LSU. It's not just a simple plug and play.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:54 am to EarthwormJim
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doesn't equate to success at LSU.
PROVEN success
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:54 am to Prominentwon
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Half these guys seem to think LSU is invincible.
There is a large contingent of the fanbase who buys the myth that Louisiana football talent is sooooo much better than the rest of the country, that all an LSU coach has to do is "lockdown" the state, give them a football, and they should steamroll to undefeated records every year.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:55 am to The Egg
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If the next coach kept Wilson, and hired strong recruiters with inherent LA ties, those Miles ties would be loosened to a pretty great extent, again, IMO
Les and plenty others would be paying top dollar to get Wilson and the other guys on this staff. Most new coaches will want to bring in their own staff.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:55 am to The Egg
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I'm not sure a Miles to Arkansas would have that much of an effect on recruiting (re: kids being diverted to ark bc of miles).
Depends on the hire if he were to go.
If LSU makes a Trent Johnson type hire (i.e. the wrong guy), I think you'll see a mass exodus to Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, and Florida like they did in the 90's. Those guys are ALL completely capable of out-recruiting anyone.
LSU just so happens to have an elite recruiter.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:58 am to TheBob
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I thought so. You don't have to admit it either.
You thought what? I know that you DON'T know what would have happened unless you can read alternative realities in your fart odors.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:59 am to EarthwormJim
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A coach and his agent isn't suppose to use high dollar job offers to obtain raises for himself and his staff?
frick that ! He agreed to his current contract. He has incentives where he can "earn" more. LSU should not be held hostage bc Miles gets a wild hair up his arse to play games. Miles is not above the program. If he is not happy here, then it would be best to let him go where he will be happy. Apparently, LSU, is not paying him enough for him to be happy. So let his arse walk. I don't want to see coach Miles depressed and crying tears bc he feels undervalued in this economy.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:59 am to Prominentwon
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LSU just so happens to have an elite recruiter.
Yes, because of...Les Miles. Too bad some of these fans do not understand this.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 8:59 am to The Egg
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If the next coach kept Wilson, and hired strong recruiters with inherent LA ties, those Miles ties would be loosened to a pretty great extent, again, IMO.
it's THAT easy.Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:00 am to Prominentwon
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LSU just so happens to have an elite recruiter
This is the thing no one considers. I firmly believe college football is more about who you can get to play for you than how you coach on game days.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:00 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Southern Cal looks terrible right now. Tennessee looks terrible right now. Nebraska and Michigan are average at best. Alabama went through about a ten year stretch of sucking before hiring Saban. These are some of the top programs in the country from a size and support standpoint and all at one point said the exact same thing you are saying. "We're ____________ who wouldn't want to come here? We've got top facilities, top donors, etc. ANY coach would kill to have what we have."
Horrible analogy.
And it's not beaten wife syndrome; i just recognized the fact that what Miles has done here is elite. I'll say it again; what Miles has done here is elite. There are probably about 10 or so coaches in the country that could meet or exceed what he has done and the chances of them leaving their current job to come here is very. fricking. slim. You seem to think that Miles is nothing special and anyone could do what he has done. I say that is ridiculous and you would be the one with your head up your arse.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:01 am to Prominentwon
quote:How many of them have completely blown it?
Awesome. How many other coaches have played in 2 NCG and have been 1-1?
quote:I never said I'd rather lose ugly than win pretty. I said there is no reason to have to win ugly. You miss the point of the argument time and time again.
You're king of the "I'd rather lose pretty than win ugly" club.
quote:It would be hard to completely 'decline' at LSU because of all the things we listed above. But it is possible to just plod along and maintain, which basically he's done.
The complete decline of Les Miles that all of you thought would eventually come, still hasn't.
quote:The list would be huge but you would never know who was on it. The elite 3 would be the ones you want to take a look at.
Thinking it'd be a large pool of capable candidates is just ridiculous.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:04 am to pkf4lsu
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:04 am to drexyl
quote:USC hired an idiot, a liar, and a cheat.
Southern Cal looks terrible right now
quote:See above, the idiot they hired destroyed the program before Dooley.
Tennessee looks terrible right now
quote:Weren't elite programs at the time of hiring, they were on the decline. Sure they have fan bases and money but these teams have not been in the NC picture in over 10 years.
Nebraska and Michigan are average at best.
quote:I'll give you this one.
Alabama went through about a ten year stretch of sucking before hiring Saban.
If you think LSU is going to hire a douchebag like Lane Kiffin and you are using that excuse as a reason that we will fail, not sure anything I say is going to change your mind.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:05 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:which 3 elite coaches would leave their current job to come here? the list of coaches that can do what miles has done is short so this elite 3 should be easy to name; who would leave?
The elite 3 would be the ones you want to take a look at.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:05 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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It would be hard to completely 'decline' at LSU because of all the things we listed above
Then why do other powerhouse schools decline? Auburn flamed out in under 2 years. Notre Dame was irrelevant for 20 years. Alabama sucked from the mid/late 90's until Saban got there. Where did Miami go?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:09 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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If you think LSU is going to hire a douchebag like Lane Kiffin and you are using that excuse as a reason that we will fail, not sure anything I say is going to change your mind.
Alleva hired Trent Johnson.
So he's FULLY capable of fricking that hire up.
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