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re: This game will be marked as the beginning of something, imo.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 2:53 pm to nitwit
Posted on 10/11/12 at 2:53 pm to nitwit
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What word are you challenging, oh wise one?
I'll be the first to tell you I'm far from wise.
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And, last time I checked two halves are required for a football game.
Which was my point exactly. It takes two halves. So, the coaching staff doesn't get any credit for the second halves that were awesome against Arkansas and Georgia, but they get all the blame?
Also, the Arkansas game is consistently blown completely out of proportion. It's like people didn't even watch it. We had ONE crappy 1st quarter, then we went on a 14 play, 77 yd drive, capped off by a Kenny Hillard dive into the endzone to score... Which was before TM7 took back the punt return to tie it. For good measure, we also added a 5 play, 66 yd drive to end the quarter with another Offensive touchdown. Altogether, pretty good half if you ask me.
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If so, I don't think you know what that word means.
The word you clearly don't know is "elite". You think we must do x or y to be "elite", when LSU is already the frickin definition of elite.
We've lost one regular season game in the last 18 tries. Before last weekend we held the Nation's longest winning streak. We currently hold the record for most consecutive victories on at night in Tiger Stadium. We have averaged a final ranking of 8.7 for since 2003.
Do you really think we are supposed to go undefeated every year?
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Posted on 10/11/12 at 2:58 pm to Methuselah
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On the other hand, I do think a loss this week, following on last week's loss and with very tough games to come would indeed erode his support with a significant number of fans at least temporarily (depending on how the rest of the year plays out).
I agree.
Fair or not, this game could turn out to be one of the most pivotal of his tenure at LSU.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:09 pm to Purple Tiger 20
Let me see where we agree:
Oh yes; that you are far from wise.
Becuase if you think we can be an elite program (note: there's a difference betwene having an elite performance year , or an elite team, on the one hand, and an elite "program" on the other).
This program has been soley Miles' for a half a decade or so, and it's lack of balance keeps it from elite status.
If you failed to notice, the game on 1/9/12 was not close. Failing to get across the 50 yard line is a bad sign for a team hoping to achieve or maintain "elite' status.
Seems to me LSU has flirted with that status in the past, but Miles' persistent weaknesses have prevented us from getting there. Unless he replaces some people and gets out of micro managing the offense, we'll never be close again during his tenure, IMO.
Oh yes; that you are far from wise.
Becuase if you think we can be an elite program (note: there's a difference betwene having an elite performance year , or an elite team, on the one hand, and an elite "program" on the other).
This program has been soley Miles' for a half a decade or so, and it's lack of balance keeps it from elite status.
If you failed to notice, the game on 1/9/12 was not close. Failing to get across the 50 yard line is a bad sign for a team hoping to achieve or maintain "elite' status.
Seems to me LSU has flirted with that status in the past, but Miles' persistent weaknesses have prevented us from getting there. Unless he replaces some people and gets out of micro managing the offense, we'll never be close again during his tenure, IMO.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:09 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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he's going to lead that change in attitude by "letting it rip" a little more.
By running into a stacked box of 10 defenders
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:20 pm to TheDoc
UGA found something in the 1st half. They were unable to put LSU away because of a couple of dropped td's. Bama watched this and ran with it. Miles was completely undressed by Saban. Not only did he make no adjustments on 1-9, he basically quit. Fullback dives and a refusal to change qb's was the proof. Since 1-9, this is a VERY different team. It's a continuation from Bama. A loss on sat could mean 8-4 or 7-5. That's unacceptable for where this program has been. How do we expect to lure in the Fournettes & Robinsons (who will be in attendance) with this? Saturday is HUGE for the direction of LSU football.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:25 pm to nitwit
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This program has been soley Miles' for a half a decade or so, and it's lack of balance keeps it from elite status.
Again, how is this program not elite?
Oh, and by the way, how can you have ZERO objectively or logic to anything you say?
Are you old enough to even remember Ryan Perrilloux getting kicked off the team?
Do you see with your eyes that we have multiple starters hurt on our Offensive Line, which is a key essential to success in the SEC?
Do you not realize how many other key players we have suspended or injured for our sole loss of the year on the road against the now #4 team in the country by one freaking possession?
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If you failed to notice, the game on 1/9/12 was not close.
I know this probably wont be taken the way I intend it, but you gotta get over that game eventually. I was there. It hurt like hell. And it sucked so very bad. We were under prepared, and our quarterback played the worst game of his life. But again, that is just one game. The amount of demagoguery that you spew towards this team is completely lopsided based on its actual accomplishments.
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Unless he replaces some people and gets out of micro managing the offense, we'll never be close again during his tenure, IMO.
While I respect your right to have an opinion, I gotta say it's my opinion that you are a complete idiot. I'm done trying to talk any sense into you. However, I will save this thread, and I will be pleased to bring it back very soon.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:29 pm to TheDoc
I agree with another poster in this thread. Miles could win the next two straight National Championships, the segment of the fan base who dislikes Les Miles will simply go into hiding and wait for him to lose his first game in 18 straight regular season games. At which point they will say "i told you so".
I seriously wish that these people would realize that the only reason their expectations for LSU football are so high is BECAUSE of LES MILES. Because LES MILES' LSU team has won so many games, some fans EXPECT to win EVERY SINGLE game regardless of the opponent.
Les Miles haters love to point to his "stubborness" and "unwillingness" to change... CHANGE WHAT? Change the exact formula that has won LSU 18 straight regular season games? The haters refuse to see the fact that the formula Miles has been using has won LSU MANY games. Miles is the winningest coach in the SEC during his tenure here at LSU.
I just don't get the hate for a man who is "stubborn"... when he is being "stubborn" and "unwilling" to change a formula that has worked FAR more than it has NOT worked.
You can flame me and call me a "Miles supporter" or "sunshine pumper" all you want. I call it logic, something I have yet to hear or see from a "Miles hater".
I seriously wish that these people would realize that the only reason their expectations for LSU football are so high is BECAUSE of LES MILES. Because LES MILES' LSU team has won so many games, some fans EXPECT to win EVERY SINGLE game regardless of the opponent.
Les Miles haters love to point to his "stubborness" and "unwillingness" to change... CHANGE WHAT? Change the exact formula that has won LSU 18 straight regular season games? The haters refuse to see the fact that the formula Miles has been using has won LSU MANY games. Miles is the winningest coach in the SEC during his tenure here at LSU.
I just don't get the hate for a man who is "stubborn"... when he is being "stubborn" and "unwilling" to change a formula that has worked FAR more than it has NOT worked.
You can flame me and call me a "Miles supporter" or "sunshine pumper" all you want. I call it logic, something I have yet to hear or see from a "Miles hater".
Posted on 10/11/12 at 3:51 pm to LSUnation78
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I seriously wish that these people would realize that the only reason their expectations for LSU football are so high is BECAUSE of LES MILES. Because LES MILES' LSU team has won so many games, some fans EXPECT to win EVERY SINGLE game regardless of the opponent.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I would add that at least 20-25% of the equation is Saban as well. If he didn't come back to our a rival west team and win 2 National Championships, I don't think we would have nearly as many Miles haters.
I don't know the actual percentages, but I would guess that a large amount of people can't look at what Miles has accomplished by itself. They are constantly going back and having to compare what he's done to what Saban is doing (because what he did do at LSU was not as impressive as what Miles has done).
But yes, some people are living in a fantasy land if they think we are going undefeated and winning the MNC by 50 every single year.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:05 pm to Purple Tiger 20
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Why does everyone think that we sucked on offense against Arkansas? Because we had one bad quarter giving up a fumble for a TD?
Because those stats and the fact the Miles has coached 4/5 of the top passing and rushing TDs only( no special teams or defensive TDs) in LSU HISTORY doesn't fit their ignorant stance of Miles has always sucked on offense.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:11 pm to Purple Tiger 20
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Purple Tiger 20
You're right, I am sure some of their hate does reflect their comparison of Miles here to Saban at Bama.
I was more directly commenting to the common arguments heard about Miles being stubborn as a reason why he isn't a good coach.
I won't begrudge someone having their opinion based on statistical comparison to an in-conference rival (even if I disagree because they are comparing apples and oranges), but the other common themes (in this case Miles' "Stuborness") are just asinine and frankly reflects poorly on the fanbase as a whole. The fans of other SEC teams currently appear to have more respect and admiration for our program, as of late, than our own fans appear to have. Which is mainly due to the sheer volume of ignorance spouted by the haters with un-realistic expectations.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:13 pm to nitwit
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Let me see where we agree: Oh yes; that you are far from wise. Becuase if you think we can be an elite program (note: there's a difference betwene having an elite performance year , or an elite team, on the one hand, and an elite "program" on the other). This program has been soley Miles' for a half a decade or so, and it's lack of balance keeps it from elite status. If you failed to notice, the game on 1/9/12 was not close. Failing to get across the 50 yard line is a bad sign for a team hoping to achieve or maintain "elite' status. Seems to me LSU has flirted with that status in the past, but Miles' persistent weaknesses have prevented us from getting there. Unless he replaces some people and gets out of micro managing the offense, we'll never be close again during his tenure, IMO.
If LSU isn't elite then I would love to know who you think is, aside from the obvious answer of Bama.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:14 pm to Hat Tricks
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If LSU isn't elite then I would love to know who you think is, aside from the obvious answer of Bama.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:14 pm to Purple Tiger 20
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at least 20-25% of the equation is Saban as well. If he didn't come back to our a rival west team and win 2 National Championships, I don't think we would have nearly as many Miles haters
this is so true.
It's unfortunate, but Miles will never escape the Saban comparison.
It's just how it is.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:14 pm to nitwit
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This program has been soley Miles' for a half a decade or so, and it's lack of balance keeps it from elite status.
You're dumb if you think LSU isnt elite. Since 05 no SEC team has won more games. DWI.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:15 pm to Purple Tiger 20
quote:Rebuilding programs is easier than being a caretaker?
to what Saban is doing (because what he did do at LSU was not as impressive as what Miles has done).
Even the biggest knights don't try to claim that Leslie is close to as good of a coach.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:21 pm to TigerTreyjpg
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I think come Saturday night, we get the old CLM. His back, as well as this team's, is against the wall right now, he knows that injuries or not, he's still got the talent to stay on the field w/Alabama (thus compete for an NC). I think he loosens the mood up at practice this week, tells his guys to start enjoying themselves a little more, and that he's going to lead that change in attitude by "letting it rip" a little more.
Have you not realized that SINCE HE HAS BEEN HERE he has ALWAYS been slow to recognize an obvious issue and DO SOMETHING (ANYTHING!) about it until it is TOO LATE and his and the team's backs are against the wall?
For instance, we had been having problems getting plays in timely ALL FREAKING YEAR leading to WASTED TIMEOUTS to avoid delay of game penalties. BUT IT WAS NOT UNTIL the Ole Miss game that it actually HURT US not to have the available time out at the end of the game. Why was no action taken to address the cause before the symptom arose? Why was it allowed to happen again, that VERY SAME YEAR against Iowa?
I can go on and on and on about things that were obvious issues, that went unaddressed, that then hurt us in some major way, and only then was something done to address the situation but I digress.
This is what Miles does, waits until something costs us a game, then changes it (and usually for the better). The reason I don't like him as a coach is due to his inability and/or refusal to admit mistakes and fix them before it hurts.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:23 pm to tigerblood29
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Rebuilding programs is easier than being a caretaker?
Yes. It's common knowledge that building a program is easier than maintaining one. DWI
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:29 pm to TheFranchise
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This is what Miles does, waits until something costs us a game, then changes it (and usually for the better). The reason I don't like him as a coach is due to his inability and/or refusal to admit mistakes and fix them before it hurts.
You can say this about every coach. Just like 03 and is not covering backs out of the backfield wasn't changed until UF beat us.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:33 pm to higgins
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is a VERY different team. It's a continuation from Bama. A loss on sat could mean 8-4 or 7-5. That's unacceptable for where this program has been. How d
Good god. 10-2 isn't a bad season. Your lord Saban just went 9-3 with far more talent than what's on this LSU team. I hate our entitled FANBASE.
Posted on 10/11/12 at 4:35 pm to tigerblood29
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to what Saban is doing (because what he did do at LSU was not as impressive as what Miles has done).
Rebuilding programs is easier than being a caretaker?
Even the biggest knights don't try to claim that Leslie is close to as good of a coach.
JL Smith says hi. And if you honestly think that all Miles is... is a "caretaker" then you are beyond help. We are now what... 7 years removed from Saban? There is not a single peice of Saban's LSU program still here... completely new players recruited by Miles... completely new coaching staff brought here by Miles. Its not like saban left and handed Miles all of his recruits and coaching staff for the next decade.
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