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re: There was zero need for those other conferences to make their decisions now.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 6:56 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 8/14/20 at 6:56 am to Big Scrub TX
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Lethality isn't the only vector of concern. If anything, lingering impact on "healthy" survivors is the most worrisome aspect.
Lol, Goalposts moved!
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:10 am to Irish LSU Fan
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Have you ever heard of "contact tracing?"
Contact tracing does not PROVE anything. It’s a handy way to find LIKELY infections.
Let’s explore. Adult X gets Corona Virus. We do contact tracing and find that he had contact with a child who also has it. That proves nothing except that he MIGHT have gotten it from a child. That would still not be a documented case of an adult getting it from a child.
There have been tens of thousands of cases of adults getting it from children. We just can’t prove it because wherever there are infected children there are infected adults, and we can’t say for sure which transmitted it.
Adults are different. Infected adults travel to virgin places unaffected by the virus. In those cases we CAN prove that the adult transmitted it. Children never travel places without adults. And if an infected one did travel with mom or dad, and infected a virgin populace we would never suspect the child who would almost certainly be asymptomatic. Also the child’s parents would probably be sick, so once again, it can’t be proved.
If my two year old grandchild can get sick from COVID - and it is a proven fact that it’s possible - then the virus CAN BE alive in his spit. When my wife kisses him, which is frequent, she can get live COVID in her. How in the world can you think it possible that this might not be transmissible?
Posted on 8/14/20 at 8:05 am to pjgary
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There was zero need for those other conferences to make their decisions now.
In some ways I think you are correct but we don't know how the factors that entered into the decision. You could think of it as preemptive for when the students return to campus. It's going to be a more difficult situation when the students are on campus and attending classes, partying etc.
Then again, there is a lot of costs with getting ready for a season, game management etc, new testing requirements, travel preparations. Perhaps when they weighed all the evidence, they considered the inevitably of not completing the system.
If the season begins it's doubtful that it will be completed or be a true representation of the best teams. A single case with the associated quarantine of other players could effect the outcome of a game.
If we're being honest, completing the season is a long shot unless things drastically improve.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 8:36 am to pjgary
You're dealing with Yankee land and the radical left coast.....purely political. Frig 'em.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 8:43 am to pjgary
Certain people within those university systems just didn't want to have a season. Once you realize that it makes more sense why they pulled the plug when and how they did.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 8:48 am to Penrod
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Let’s explore. Adult X gets Corona Virus. We do contact tracing and find that he had contact with a child who also has it. That proves nothing except that he MIGHT have gotten it from a child. That would still not be a documented case of an adult getting it from a child.
Scientists time and time again have said this virus is "different" from any virus (including other novel viruses) they have ever seen. If there is "proof" that Adult "X" contracted the virus from Adult "Y," why can there not be "proof" that Adult "X" contracted the virus from child "Z?" Your assertion that children never go anywhere without an adult is noteworthy but does not offer any proof for your primary assertion. That being said, (my opinion/without proof) is that children probably can transmit CoVid....and probably do.
The medical community has "proven" transmission from one adult to another adult numerous times. There is data that indicates children get a "milder" version (not just milder symptoms) of CoVid. This brings up another question..."IF" children only contract a very mild "version" of CoVid (a version that either has no symptoms or seems like a mild cold), why would we be setting our hair on fire about "that version/strain" being contracted by adults? AND, if contracting this "milder version" results in antibodies that protect you from all versions of CoVid-19, wouldn't that be a good thing? Scientists are looking at these theories as we speak. This could be a reason why countries that did not close their schools are doing so well against the virus! It would also explain why places like Sweeden and New York seem to have achieved herd immunity even though their documented cases of CoVid seem too low for herd immunity.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:58 pm to Scioto
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Then post a link.
LINK
This link compares covid19 vs pneumonia vs influenza deaths by age group. Note 1- data in this cdc chart starts on Feb 1, 2020. Note 2 - there were more flu deaths to children (and every other age group) in January alone than what you see in the period of February through August. CDC makes it difficult to search that, as it is very revealing. However, google will show you plenty of articles before the Covid-19 fear porn narrative started. Here's one from CNN LINK in February that cites a record breaking 105 children have died from flu in 2020, but the do not give an age range. Suffice to say, this number is under the age of 18.
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With this link, you CAN see the flu deaths by age group for an entire year. Simply click the year and view the chart. Use your calculator, and as I stated in the OP, you will see the average flu deaths for children from 2010 thru 2019 (actually a 10 year average) is 511.
Being that THOSE specific figures were the crux of my argument - that the flu, on average, is 7 times more deadly to children than Covid-19 and we don't shut down schools are universities for that risk, I won't do the work for you on everything else.
We live in the age of information. I've given you hard facts from the CDC's website, and from CNN - a news source I can wipe my arse with because they are very partisan and quickly abandon these kinds of facts when the narrative changes to suit their political agenda -- notice, they aren't reporting this.
So here's more facts. You are more than free to find them on CDC or worldmeters or whatever source you are comfortable with. The point is for you to stop listening to the mainstream media's propaganda, and actually look at the data - research for yourself. You can easily verify the following:
According to the CDC, the average number of total deaths in the US per day in 2020 is 7,434. In 2017, we averaged more than 7,700 deaths per day. We have a pandemic that is so dangerous you need a test to find out whether you have it or have had it, and we are averaging less deaths per day than an average year.
In the hotspot of Texas, from through July 14, there were 3,322 Covid-19 deaths. In 2019 there were 10,020 flu deaths, and in 2018 there were 11,917. You can confirm this on CDC or on Texas Department of State Health Services, or find it on Twitter and other places very easy.
I can go on and on and on, but for the sake of brevity, I won't, as I understand some people have a problem with reading and comprehension and logic and would rather regurgitate the fake news they get from the nazi propaganda machine ABC/CNN/MSNBC/CBS/____ who have been completely and shamefully dishonest, flat out lied, and are the biggest source of misinformation, along with their colluding Twitter, Google, Facebook, and YouTube
Hint - and you can verify this easily enough - all of the MSM sources listed above, as well the CDC - they've all donated combined billions of dollars since 2015 to one of the political parties. At least 98% of all their donations have gone to ONE party. This is public record. They aren't reporting the facts, they aren't neutral, and they aren't hiding it.
So if we are going to talk of misinformation, I am giving you links to CDC - hard facts and data you can easily verify yourself. Facts that taken quite logically, destroy the narrative. Will you follow the data and the science, or are you married to a narrative?
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 8/14/20 at 11:20 pm to Irish LSU Fan
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Scientists time and time again have said this virus is "different" from any virus (including other novel viruses) they have ever seen. If there is "proof" that Adult "X" contracted the virus from Adult "Y," why can there not be "proof" that Adult "X" contracted the virus from child "Z?" Your assertion that children never go anywhere without an adult is noteworthy but does not offer any proof for your primary assertion. That being said, (my opinion/without proof) is that children probably can transmit CoVid....and probably do.
The medical community has "proven" transmission from one adult to another adult numerous times. There is data that indicates children get a "milder" version (not just milder symptoms) of CoVid. This brings up another question..."IF" children only contract a very mild "version" of CoVid (a version that either has no symptoms or seems like a mild cold), why would we be setting our hair on fire about "that version/strain" being contracted by adults? AND, if contracting this "milder version" results in antibodies that protect you from all versions of CoVid-19, wouldn't that be a good thing? Scientists are looking at these theories as we speak. This could be a reason why countries that did not close their schools are doing so well against the virus! It would also explain why places like Sweeden and New York seem to have achieved herd immunity even though their documented cases of CoVid seem too low for herd immunity.
And that's the point. All the data, worldwide, shows that Covid-19 is simply not dangerous to children, young adults, and practically 99.9% of healthy adults under the age of 65. For God's sake, the average age of Covid-19 deaths in the US is 78! We aren't experiencing more deaths in 2020 than we have in the last 10 years - in fact, through the first 32 weeks of 2020, we have the second lowest death rate per week this century.
ALL of this lockdown and pandemic is a manufactured fear mongering. Is Covid-19 dangerous? Yes, but not more dangerous than cancer, than an average flu season, than diabetes, than many other leading causes of death. And without getting into a debate over how deaths have been classified, nor the faulty testing (England just quietly dropped their positive tests by 1.3 million, 600,000 US military members were falsely told they were positive - google it), suffice to say that the normal causes of death have mysteriously dropped drastically this year in blue states... most of those same states also forced elderly covid19 patients from hospitals to nursing homes, despite having staffed field hospitals (mostly empty)constructed specifically for this purpose.
Hint to all: use duck duck go as your search engine - they don't censor the results like google and yahoo. Look up articles and studies from epidemiologist from around the world, or from Harvard, Stanford, and other domestic institutions. Almost all specifically agree lockdowns and school closures prolong Covid-19's lifespan, because they prevent the herd immunity that occurs form kids kicking covid's arse from being achieved in timely fashion. Simply, with no lockdowns, that occurs on average in 4 weeks. Which is why more than a few schools in Europe never shut, and many more opened pretty quickly, before the previous school year ended. But the mainstream media isn't reporting any kind of analysis on that.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 8/15/20 at 1:44 am to pjgary
Few years ago rush was commenting the left is coming for football.
Here it is. Never let a crisis go to waste.
Here it is. Never let a crisis go to waste.
Posted on 8/15/20 at 6:47 am to pjgary
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There was zero need for those other conferences to make their decisions now.
This is what I don't get. They are making decisions long before it is necessary. it makes zero sense and just adds fuel to the fire among some that say this is mostly all political and has nothing to do with the virus itself.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 12:04 am to pjgary
Do you hear that? Crickets. That's what happen when the false narrative is destroyed by facts, science and logic. Truth is completely ignored. The only recourse is either crickets, or name calling (i.e. racist, bigot, conspiracy nut) aimed at dismissing truth by attacking the bearer of it, or completely abandoning all data, logic, and facts while changing the nature of the argument to something philosophical or simply moving the goal post.
Why? Because some are emotionally invested in the false narrative. Some are politically attached to a false narrative. Some prefer believing an absurd lie over a difficult truth because being intellectually honest would result in a complete paradigm shift, like what happened with Leo Terrell.
Why do I care what anyone believes? Because an evil ideology is behind this narrative. And that ideology has resulted in cities being destroyed, economies and businesses being destroyed, children not going to school, families not going to church, exponential increase in suicides, overdose, abuse, and violence, sports being cancelled, police being de-funded, and violent criminals and sex offenders being released from jail, violent domestic terrorist being released from jail and having no charges brought against them, and a spiraling unraveling of everything this country was founded on, of everything that makes America great.
If you want to ignore the facts that Covid-19 is seven times less dangerous to kids than influenza, is less dangerous than influenza for everyone under the age of 65 who doesn't have a seriously compromised immune system, that we aren't experiencing more deaths than on average (actually 2020 has the 2nd least weekly mortality rate in the last twenty years) -- if you want to disregard all these hard facts, then you shouldn't complain when everything you love is taken from you, including football, because instead of thinking for yourself, you bought into an ideology and narrative designed to destroy all you hold dear in the hopes of destroying democracy.
The risk for schools and universities, for organized sports to occur in the midst of Covid-19 is far less than risks we already accept, specifically influenza. Lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates - none of it serves any purpose other than political; none of it is beneficial in "stopping the pandemic".
The ONLY thing that stops a virus is herd immunity. Period. The lockdowns were only supposed to be for 2-4 weeks, in order to prevent hospitals from being overrun and allow manufacturing to rectify certain shortages. Look how far the goal posts have moved. Look how much the narrative has changed. And notice that once Covid-19 started to diminish in it's potency, the media stopped reporting scary daily death totals (which, btw, were extremely exaggerated and many states have had to adjust totals after being caught) and instead started reporting "cases".
I truly feel sorry for the players in all those conferences who have prematurely cancelled or postponed their seasons not because of science, but in spite of science.
Why? Because some are emotionally invested in the false narrative. Some are politically attached to a false narrative. Some prefer believing an absurd lie over a difficult truth because being intellectually honest would result in a complete paradigm shift, like what happened with Leo Terrell.
Why do I care what anyone believes? Because an evil ideology is behind this narrative. And that ideology has resulted in cities being destroyed, economies and businesses being destroyed, children not going to school, families not going to church, exponential increase in suicides, overdose, abuse, and violence, sports being cancelled, police being de-funded, and violent criminals and sex offenders being released from jail, violent domestic terrorist being released from jail and having no charges brought against them, and a spiraling unraveling of everything this country was founded on, of everything that makes America great.
If you want to ignore the facts that Covid-19 is seven times less dangerous to kids than influenza, is less dangerous than influenza for everyone under the age of 65 who doesn't have a seriously compromised immune system, that we aren't experiencing more deaths than on average (actually 2020 has the 2nd least weekly mortality rate in the last twenty years) -- if you want to disregard all these hard facts, then you shouldn't complain when everything you love is taken from you, including football, because instead of thinking for yourself, you bought into an ideology and narrative designed to destroy all you hold dear in the hopes of destroying democracy.
The risk for schools and universities, for organized sports to occur in the midst of Covid-19 is far less than risks we already accept, specifically influenza. Lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates - none of it serves any purpose other than political; none of it is beneficial in "stopping the pandemic".
The ONLY thing that stops a virus is herd immunity. Period. The lockdowns were only supposed to be for 2-4 weeks, in order to prevent hospitals from being overrun and allow manufacturing to rectify certain shortages. Look how far the goal posts have moved. Look how much the narrative has changed. And notice that once Covid-19 started to diminish in it's potency, the media stopped reporting scary daily death totals (which, btw, were extremely exaggerated and many states have had to adjust totals after being caught) and instead started reporting "cases".
I truly feel sorry for the players in all those conferences who have prematurely cancelled or postponed their seasons not because of science, but in spite of science.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 6:46 am to pjgary
The cancellation of fall sports was done to influence the presidential election...
Posted on 8/16/20 at 7:53 am to Scioto
The SEC and ACC have experience cancelling and rescheduling a Saturday game on Wednesday before because of Hurricanes. There was absolutely no reason to panic 6 weeks or more out. It can be done in 24 hours 3 days before the game. It's liberal loonies on the west coast doing what they do, bow to social pressure and panic in the face of adversity.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 5:44 pm to drdoct
quote:absolutely correct. It’s obvious what the left is doing, and it’s disgraceful.
This has nothing to do with Science and everything to do with causing panic for political reasons.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 6:24 pm to NOSTRODAMUS
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You both misspelled Dempanic
I prefer PlanDemic...
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