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re: The success (or lack thereof) of our WR's in the NFL
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:05 am to sicboy
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:05 am to sicboy
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I think the most disappointing one, at least for me, is Davis, especially since he went 1st round.
Buster's injury prone. he had some issues with injuries at LSU, particularly in 05 I believe with concussions.
I thought if he could stay healthy, he'd be a good productive WR (if not a star) for yrs in the NFL. probably the best size/ speed/ hands combo we've put out.
Early's had injury issues as well, hopefully he can overcome them.
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Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:05 am to lsusteve1
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Imagine how much better Davis or Clayton would have been playing with Brees......Brady......Manning
It's a crapshoot
Agreed.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:12 am to sicboy
A great QB can make any WR look good (see Dan Marino's career).
Only once-in-a-decade type WR talent can make an average QB look good, and the QB has to have some skill to work with (see Randy Moss/Daunte Culpepper).
It's not LSU's fault that the WR's haven't panned out. It's very circumstantial. WR's more than any other position depend the most on their teammates for success.
I suspect that if Lafell were drafted by the Colts last year, we'd be lining up to get him in our fantasy leagues.
Perhaps if Josh Reed had joined Kevin Faulk in NE, we'd be discussing how Wes Welker is the new Josh Reed.
DBowe started in KC where progress has been slow. If DBowe had gone to San Diego, he'd be the next T.O.
/pats self on back for awesome rhyming.
Only once-in-a-decade type WR talent can make an average QB look good, and the QB has to have some skill to work with (see Randy Moss/Daunte Culpepper).
It's not LSU's fault that the WR's haven't panned out. It's very circumstantial. WR's more than any other position depend the most on their teammates for success.
I suspect that if Lafell were drafted by the Colts last year, we'd be lining up to get him in our fantasy leagues.
Perhaps if Josh Reed had joined Kevin Faulk in NE, we'd be discussing how Wes Welker is the new Josh Reed.
DBowe started in KC where progress has been slow. If DBowe had gone to San Diego, he'd be the next T.O.
/pats self on back for awesome rhyming.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:23 am to The_Pistol
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A great QB can make any WR look good
Yeah. I guess my point SHOULD have been "I hate how it's worked out for a lot of our WR's". Who did Clayton ever have for QB? Doucet did have Warner for a bit. Davis with Rivers, but injuries. No clue who was throwing to Reed. And Tolliver was stuck with garbage at Carolina.
I think any of these guys with Brees, Manning, or Brady would be flourishing. But that probably says more about those QB's then it does about the WR's.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:28 am to sicboy
But let's be honest: we all had high expectations for a lot of these guys coming out of college.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:43 am to sicboy
LaFell: Too early to tell
Doucet:As far as I know, was successful when called upon his rookie year.
Bowe: Is and always has been an NFL caliber WR. He needs a decent QB and he will be awesome.
Byrd: Don't know anything about him in the NFL. Not sure what his expectations were.
Davis: Agree. Total bust for a first rounder.
Clayton: Great rookie year, but has pretty much vanished since. Pretty much spot on description of his career. But, he must be doing something right to still be on a roster somewhere.
Henderson: Has done as well as a fourth round receiver could ever expect to do. Plus, what New Orleans WR hasn't benefited from Brees?
Green: never was going to be much of a receiver in the NFL. Only chance was to make his mark as a return guy, and that never really panned out. I agree with this assessment.
Reed: Has had an above average NFL career. Buffalo never really had a decent QB to throw to him. He would have done much better with a better team. I know, duh.
I guess for a school that really isn't known for star WRs, LSU has had quite a few drafted. WR is about the biggest crapshoot in the NFL.
Doucet:As far as I know, was successful when called upon his rookie year.
Bowe: Is and always has been an NFL caliber WR. He needs a decent QB and he will be awesome.
Byrd: Don't know anything about him in the NFL. Not sure what his expectations were.
Davis: Agree. Total bust for a first rounder.
Clayton: Great rookie year, but has pretty much vanished since. Pretty much spot on description of his career. But, he must be doing something right to still be on a roster somewhere.
Henderson: Has done as well as a fourth round receiver could ever expect to do. Plus, what New Orleans WR hasn't benefited from Brees?
Green: never was going to be much of a receiver in the NFL. Only chance was to make his mark as a return guy, and that never really panned out. I agree with this assessment.
Reed: Has had an above average NFL career. Buffalo never really had a decent QB to throw to him. He would have done much better with a better team. I know, duh.
I guess for a school that really isn't known for star WRs, LSU has had quite a few drafted. WR is about the biggest crapshoot in the NFL.
This post was edited on 5/27/11 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:57 am to alajones
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Henderson: Has done as well as a fourth round receiver could ever expect to do. Plus, what New Orleans WR hasn't benefited from Brees?
Henderson was a second round pick and he has had a great career. He's been productive on a good team and he earned his ring.
To me Buster Davis seems like the only guy that stands out negatively on your list. Either too early to tell on some (Lafell) and too harsh on others (Reed). You make an NFL roster for a few years you have done something. I sometimes think people underestimate how extremely difficult it is to make a NFL roster no matter where you were drafted.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 11:58 am to sicboy
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LaFell: inconsistent and unimpressive 1st year in Carolina
Average year on a terrible team that just drafted a QB #1 overall.
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Doucet: Injuries have hurt him, but really hasn't impressed much in Arizona.
Definitely bit by the injury bug, but has also been behind Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston.
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Bowe: Shaky start, but I think finally becoming a top-tier receiver in KC.
2 (almost 3) 1,000 yard seasons. 1 Pro Bowl. Would have been close to another 1,000 yard season in '09, but served a 4 game suspension for PEDs.
Byrd's situation is obvious and Buster Davis has been hit hard by injury.
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Clayton: Great rookie year, but has pretty much vanished since.
Clayton is about the only one I'd label a bust. He's not had world beaters at quarterback, but he hasn't topped 40 catches or 500 yds since his rookie year.
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Henderson: Has done well in NO, but I would pretty much place most of his success on #9's arm. Decent career, I guess.
Right on with "Decent career." Average production each year, but probably sub-par for a 2nd round pick.
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Reed: The most productive receiver in LSU history, but just never got the chance to shine in Buffalo. He was in the shadow of Lee Evans, but it's conjecture to whether or not not Evans' absence would have made a difference in Reed's career. He had his fair shot.
8 years with Buffalo should be explanation enough. But an 8 year career in the NFL should be considered successful. He was a slot receiver on a team that rarely had a #2. Caught 50+ balls 3 times, 500+ yds 4 times.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 12:23 pm to jmath23lsu
Is Clayton still in the league? I think out of all of these guys, with his size and production in college, I would have put my money on him having the better and longer career. The man was just solid.............money. I watch highlights from the '03 season and I almost want to 
it was so good.
it was so good.This post was edited on 5/27/11 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/27/11 at 12:32 pm to sicboy
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Is Clayton still in the league
Caught two balls in 6 games with the Giants last year.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 12:37 pm to CajunFootball
LSU and many others have placed TOO much emphasis on height and 40 times with WR IMHO. What is more important you ask? What does it take to make a successful pass play from a WR assuming the QB did his job? Get open, and catch the darned ball!
Don't get me wrong, I want the next Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, etc. as the next guy. But those guys are rare. Guys like Josh Reed were some of the best we ever had because they got open, and caught the ball! Plain and simple. It does not take great speed or being as tall as a tree to do this.
I think we got it right with getting a guy like Landry. We have fallen too much in love with the 6'3" guy or the supposed 4.4 40. The NFL combine should teach us that there are very few guys that are actually running a legit 4.4, everybody says they are, but very few actually do.
Get back to getting guys that are going to be productive, regardless of their height or forty times. YES, get the 6'3" guy who does it all, just don't expect to find many of them, so get the guys that can get it done!
BTW, I am just short of 6'3", so this isn't a short guy's rant!
Don't get me wrong, I want the next Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, etc. as the next guy. But those guys are rare. Guys like Josh Reed were some of the best we ever had because they got open, and caught the ball! Plain and simple. It does not take great speed or being as tall as a tree to do this.
I think we got it right with getting a guy like Landry. We have fallen too much in love with the 6'3" guy or the supposed 4.4 40. The NFL combine should teach us that there are very few guys that are actually running a legit 4.4, everybody says they are, but very few actually do.
Get back to getting guys that are going to be productive, regardless of their height or forty times. YES, get the 6'3" guy who does it all, just don't expect to find many of them, so get the guys that can get it done!
BTW, I am just short of 6'3", so this isn't a short guy's rant!
Posted on 5/27/11 at 12:41 pm to jmath23lsu
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Right on with "Decent career." Average production each year, but probably sub-par for a 2nd round pick.
You need to go look up WRs drafted in the 2nd rd in the last decade. There's about 5 exceptional ones but for the most part they have similar or worse career numbers than Devery.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 12:44 pm to TigerAlum93
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LSU and many others have placed TOO much emphasis on height and 40 times with WR IMHO
give me some examples
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:23 pm to CajunFootball
I really liked Buster Davis but did anyone think he would be a 1st rounder? Anyone at all? I thought he would be like a 5th rounder. Thoughts?
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:30 pm to sicboy
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Bowe: Shaky start, but I think finally becoming a top-tier receiver in KC.
Is the 2nd best WR in the NFL right now (A. Johnson is the first).
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Henderson: Has done well in NO, but I would pretty much place most of his success on #9's arm. Decent career, I guess.
Has turned into an excellent NFL receiver. Quit hatin'.
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Doucet: Injuries have hurt him, but really hasn't impressed much in Arizona.
Plays well when he is healthy. Quit hatin'.
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Reed: The most productive receiver in LSU history, but just never got the chance to shine in Buffalo. He was in the shadow of Lee Evans, but it's conjecture to whether or not not Evans' absence would have made a difference in Reed's career. He had his fair shot.
Was a key part of their offense for like 7 years, man. The fact that he actually played as a #2 receiver at his size is quite impressive.
QUIT HATIN!
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:31 pm to trex1230
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I really liked Buster Davis but did anyone think he would be a 1st rounder? Anyone at all? I thought he would be like a 5th rounder. Thoughts?
I don't know where I thought he would go, but definitely surprised he went 1st round. JR going #1 definitely helped his stock.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:33 pm to TxTiger82
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TxTiger82
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:34 pm to trex1230
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did anyone think he would be a 1st rounder?
yeah, he was in the 1st on a few mocks, 2nd on others.
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I thought he would be like a 5th rounder. Thoughts?
you were wrong
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:35 pm to TxTiger82
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Has turned into an excellent NFL receiver. Quit hatin'.
I wouldn't say excellent. Way too many drops for that tag.
Posted on 5/27/11 at 1:39 pm to sicboy
What did I say that was untrue?
Bowe was probably the BEST receiver in the league in the second half of the NFL season last year. That is true. We'll see if he continues that success next year.
Doucet has averaged 11 and 12 yards per catch in the last two years, respectively (look it up). That means he plays well when he is in the game. He is their third receiver and injured a lot.
Reed had a rough time in Buffalo. He played under 3 or 4 different coaches and at least 5 QBs. They moved him back and forth between the SE and slot receiver positions. He was NEVER expected to be what you seem to think he was expected to be. Despite all of these bad conditions, Reed had a very successful 8 or 9 year run, as others have pointed out.
So...do you actually want to discuss this with me or do you just want to hate and post cheeky replies?
Bowe was probably the BEST receiver in the league in the second half of the NFL season last year. That is true. We'll see if he continues that success next year.
Doucet has averaged 11 and 12 yards per catch in the last two years, respectively (look it up). That means he plays well when he is in the game. He is their third receiver and injured a lot.
Reed had a rough time in Buffalo. He played under 3 or 4 different coaches and at least 5 QBs. They moved him back and forth between the SE and slot receiver positions. He was NEVER expected to be what you seem to think he was expected to be. Despite all of these bad conditions, Reed had a very successful 8 or 9 year run, as others have pointed out.
So...do you actually want to discuss this with me or do you just want to hate and post cheeky replies?
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