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re: The strike zone box in softball
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:10 pm to DWaginHTown
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:10 pm to DWaginHTown
Thanks captain obvious
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:15 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about
Too bad most of the players are also thinking about said box
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:53 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about
Are you a husky teenage girl?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:31 pm to shawnlsu
When watching the LSU vs Michigan game all I could think of was how terrible the umpire was if that box was accurate. Then today's umpire was just as bad or worse. I think all the box does is make the umpires look bad. Even the commentators were speechless over some of those calls.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:39 pm to lammo
I watched it the whole game. The spot was where the catcher caught the ball. Everyone knows it's where the ball crosses the plate. The ump missed a few but don't they all?
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:44 pm to Mickey53
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I watched it the whole game. The spot was where the catcher caught the ball. Everyone knows it's where the ball crosses the plate. The ump missed a few but don't they all?
I thought the gal last night was significantly worse than the one today...no bias she was bad for both teams.
There was one sequence where K-Zone had all four balls as strikes and the ump called all four balls and the LSU gal got a walk.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:05 pm to Jim Rockford
Umpires all have different strike zones but at least they stay consistent with calls(not all of them trust me)
What really pisses me off is make up strikes or balls and calling it one way for one team but is inconsistent with the other team. That's that shite I don't like!
What really pisses me off is make up strikes or balls and calling it one way for one team but is inconsistent with the other team. That's that shite I don't like!
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:25 pm to GeeOH
I think a little human error is integral in baseball (probably softball too).
If the catcher is set up just wide and the pitch is so he doesn't have to move at all, you get a strike called a lot.
You make the catcher lunge, you usually get a ball, even if it's technically a strike. The umpire usually rewards control and punishes wildness. If you go 100% to digital/radar etc and remove the ump, you lose that element.
If the catcher is set up just wide and the pitch is so he doesn't have to move at all, you get a strike called a lot.
You make the catcher lunge, you usually get a ball, even if it's technically a strike. The umpire usually rewards control and punishes wildness. If you go 100% to digital/radar etc and remove the ump, you lose that element.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:32 pm to Scoob
The Box doesn't adjust for shorties like Griggs or someone taller.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:22 pm to Meaux Bettah
quote:That's why I said put sensors on the plate looking up (inside/outside vs over the plate), and some parallel sensors outside each batter's box, that align with something in the batter's uniform. You lock in the zone based on the batter's stance, and it will catch up/down.
The Box doesn't adjust for shorties like Griggs or someone taller
It can be done.
It also wouldn't be as fun, and it would open up the door to "sensor-gate" scandals.
Best, in my opinion, to leave it in the hands of the umps, and leave them open to public (and official) scrutiny to ensure they aren't deliberately cheating on the calls. It's part of the game- pitchers figure out where they can push the zone, and batters figure out what they have to protect.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 6:38 am to Mickey53
The marker in the box is where the ball crosses the plate, not where the catcher catches the ball.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 7:54 am to TampaTiger22
I'll admit that I don't know the intricacies of this digital box, but I don't see how a digital box can be representative of home plate which is not shaped like a box. Basically the digital box is a accurate representation of the strike zone every once in awhile. I can see why it is not widely used.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 7:56 am to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:The batter's box?
When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:10 am to Slick Tiger
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I don't see how a digital box can be representative of home plate which is not shaped like a box
Wat?
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:43 am to GetmorewithLes
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you are referring to last nights game vs Mich I don't agree. The overlay was put in the right place but the centerfield camara was so far off center that it gave a false indication of the lateral position of the pitch. I think this would be better if you centered up the camera. I was appalled at the lack of calls on the low strikes last night so perhaps the elevation was an issue too.
The amount of deviation caused by an off angle camera is a concept many people can not grasp. Prime example is the foul ball Brennan Breau missed in the SEC tournament against UF.
If you line the camera up dead center the pitcher is in the way. Thus the camera is probably 5 or more degrees off center. The greater the distance from home plate to the camera the greater the illusion.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:47 am to Oyster
The issue should not be the box. The issue should be the terrible umpiring by these crews. Major college softball should have better officiating than what I have seen this week.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:56 am to Scoob
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It just wouldn't be in the spirit of the game; perception of the pitch is part of the allure
I agree.
We'd see a lot more walks as there would be less reason for batters to swing at borderline strikes.
I'd bet on there being stats that would support taking the risk of a called strike on any 3 ball count.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:57 am to cusoonkpd
Pitch after pitch that was in the low generic strike zone called a ball. Bring in the one eyed box dog.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 9:01 am to GeeOH
Nah..... You see the catcher move their mitt every pitch (I used to be a catcher myself) so it can be misleading. I thought the umpires have been relatively consistent. They miss a few (or maybe more) but for the most part I have no problem with it. If anything it's annoying for the fans. You see a pitch show up as right down the middle and the ump calls it a ball. However, on the positive side it does show the strike zone from one angle and that's a start. Don't see anything ever changing. Nothing (literally) to see here. Let's move on....


Posted on 6/5/16 at 9:03 am to cusoonkpd
I'm not defending the terrible umps in anyway. I'm just trying to point out the CBS strike zone isn't accurate because it is based on VERY BAD science.
The current box can point out ump inconsistency but in no way is an accurate depiction of the real strike zone.
Which reminds me of another error. There is no way the CBS box can located a pitch over the actual strike zone. The camera doesn't have an accurate idea where the ball is in reference to the line between the pitching rubber and home plate as the pitch passes over home plate. Just because the catcher catches the ball low and out side doesn't mean it was low an outside as it crossed the plate.
The current box can point out ump inconsistency but in no way is an accurate depiction of the real strike zone.
Which reminds me of another error. There is no way the CBS box can located a pitch over the actual strike zone. The camera doesn't have an accurate idea where the ball is in reference to the line between the pitching rubber and home plate as the pitch passes over home plate. Just because the catcher catches the ball low and out side doesn't mean it was low an outside as it crossed the plate.
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