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re: The reason JL is getting talked about as QB is simple
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:43 am to drizztiger
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:43 am to drizztiger
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2007, experinced qb
bullshite. Inherited QB for sure, but Flynn had less game time experience than either Lee or JJ for the 2009 season.
You are comparing 19 year old kids to a 22 or 23 year old dude that had been waiting and waiting to get his chance to shine. Plus Flynn had that swagga.
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Hate to break it to you.... but playing qbs before they are ready to play is the root of the problem.
No, the lack of offensive coaching and continuity is the program. And it's a big one. Even Jimbo Fisher could start a FS SO or FS FR and not finish 110th in total offense.
Do what? Weren't people dying for Fisher to leave?
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:57 am to Six Saint
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His stats from last year-62% completion rate are misleading. A majority of his passes were screens of short passes over the middle
How can a completion rate be misleading? You either complete that rate of passes or you don't. Can a batting average be misleading as well? Both are what they are. imo
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shows leadership ability, demonstrated by his refusal to give up after the 2008 season, but he has to become more cognizatant of DB's when making his preads and passes over the middle which have led to Pick-Six's
I like that JL came back for his JR year and I think, think mind you, that LSU will be better for his being here, but I don't know how we can say he is " more cognizatant of DB's when making his preads and passes over the middle" with what happened in the 1st half to one of his throws.
I think it might be a tad early for any of us to say that JJ is not a SEC caliber QB. He was good enough as a true So. in his 1st full season of SEC play to finish 5th in the QB rating of SEC QBs and to lead LSU to a 3rd place finish in the SEC. Granted that he needs to step it up this season, but a 5th place QB rating and 3rd place team finish are not reasons for cliff jumping in my opinion or taking away his starting position.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:00 am to Tigercat
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If you add in JL's time and time again proven inability to read and feel all defenders on the field, JJ has more talent to be a successful QB than JL does. Losing track of defenders in your throwing lanes is a huge deficiency when it comes to QBing, a much bigger deficiency than anything JJ has in his game.
You have got to be kidding me. I agree that JJ is very capable of running a good offense but he lacks the decision making to pull the trigger when a reciever is not 10 yards a open on a route. He lacks the accuracy to make throws when he does decide to throw it but most of the time he just eats the damn ball or waits to run when all the defenders have figured out he is going to run. He just doesn't seem instinctive enough. Which may come with maturity but it may not. And that is scary. Lee has all the tools to succeed he just has to be able to read defenses better but atleast he aint scared to throw it. I mean if we just want somebody back there to not make mistakes then why don't we put Shep back there and run a similar offense to what Tebow ran at Florida but with a run game. I bet Shep can do the little run fake dump pass like Tebow.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:08 am to Choctaw
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JJ was second in the SEC in completion % last year.
That's easy when you don't throw over the middle or throw the deep ball. All he could throw were short passes and screens that never amounted to much.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:11 am to BillyBobfan24_7
The word for JJ's troubles is his lack of SAVVY.It appears nothing comes natural to him,I really don't think you can teach the instints required to be a great QB.JL has a much better chance to make instinctive plays to keep the chains moving,I'll have to see more of him in game conditions to determine if he's learned to protect the ball more.All that being said this STAFF had better be willing to play both........
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:31 am to RobbBobb
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The OLine/run game was money in the Spring game.
How did JJ do with that?
good point, then people will say its pass blocking....see
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The run blocking was good and the pass blocking wasn't.
more excuses...
Posted on 3/30/10 at 10:58 am to ShortyRob
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This isn't a knock on JJ personally. I kinda like the kid. He seems to have heart and if he plays, we'll get the best he has to offer. Unfortunately, that just really isn't all that much.
If JJ is truly the best alternative we have for the next 2 years, then they'll be a rough 2 years. People know this. THAT is why they wonder about Lee. He's simply the alternative
Herb Tyleresque?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:06 am to BillyBobfan24_7
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I mean if we just want somebody back there to not make mistakes then why don't we put Shep back there and run a similar offense to what Tebow ran at Florida but with a run game.
I agree. The only thing I can think of why GC is putting him at reciever or why RS would even consider reciever is his NFL bread and butter is going to be more percy harvin like, maybe not as a QB. I would have liked to have seen what he can do throwing the ball but as long as we have GC as OC I don't see it happening.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:54 am to TigerWilson88
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TigerWilson88
Dont let anyone fool you, he doesnt really like playing WR...I know one of his friends that he talks to regularly in houston...an high school QB that lives a couple houses down from me...he keeps telling that they werent gonna give him a chance at QB and that the whole meeting after the florida game was a lie...he still wants to play QB but he's stuck there now...he knows his ticket to the NFL is at WR...he's not that upset about it because he loves LSU but he's not happy about it either cause they promised him a shot a QB and he didnt REALLY get it...he wanted to throw last year...take it for what its worth but he's been on the phone with him standing right next to me in my driveway...
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:57 am to TigerWilson88
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I agree. The only thing I can think of why GC is putting him at reciever or why RS would even consider reciever is his NFL bread and butter is going to be more percy harvin like, maybe not as a QB. I would have liked to have seen what he can do throwing the ball but as long as we have GC as OC I don't see it happening.
Well i could understand moving him there if fe had Ryan Mallet or some established capable QB but that is not the case.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:15 pm to SouthernMan
quote:Nope, just the facts ma'am.
Internet folley, not the true facts but don't let that stop you....
2001 BYU - 618 Points scored in 14 games. Crowton's 1st year.
2002 BYU - 272 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 2nd year.
2003 BYU - 196 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 3rd year.
2004 BYU - 267 Points scored in 11 games. Crowton's 4th year.
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2005 BYU - 396 Points scored in 12 games. 1st year w/o Crowton.
2006 BYU - 478 Points scored in 13 games. 2nd year w/o Crowton.
2005 Oregon - 414 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 1st year.
2006 Oregon - 383 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 2nd year.
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2007 Oregon - 496 Points scored in 13 games. 1st year w/o Crowton.
2008 Oregon - 545 Points scored in 13 games. 2nd year w/o Crowton.
2007 LSU - 541 Points scored in 14 games. Crowton's 1st year.
2008 LSU - 402 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 2nd year.
2009 LSU - 323 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 3rd year.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:17 pm to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:Perhaps. But it's completely irrelevant to the fact that LSU never finished 110th in total offense under Fisher. Crowton accomplished that wonderful feat though.
Weren't people dying for Fisher to leave?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:18 pm to Choctaw
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It's amazing what a good o-line and running game can do.
Yet JJ still struggled in the spring game.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 1:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Yet JJ still struggled in the spring game.
JJ supporters who think he's the next Jamarcus Russell will always try to use this excuse. thank god it was proven wrong Sat...
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