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re: The reason JL is getting talked about as QB is simple
Posted on 3/29/10 at 10:52 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 3/29/10 at 10:52 pm to ShortyRob
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JJ can make more throws on the field than Mauck or Flynn could.
JJ can make more throws but Flynn and Mauck could run the offense much more smoothly. They could read routes much faster
Posted on 3/29/10 at 11:01 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:Where does Lee fit into that statement?
JJ can make more throws but Flynn and Mauck could run the offense much more smoothly. They could read routes much faster
Posted on 3/29/10 at 11:50 pm to drizztiger
I am not a jj fan or a jl fan but to say stuff like this:
Makes me reall wonder. How can anyone compare JJ to Flynn or Mauck??? They are not in the same league by a long shot.
The fact that JJ talked the coaches into calling a run play when the game was on the line when the coaches had already decided to throw the ball tells me a whole lot about JJ... People here have more confidence in JJ than JJ does.
I know people are going to turn that comment around on me because the play was successful but think about. Game on the line. How many qb's would fight for a run play when the coaches called a pass?
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JJ can make more throws but Flynn and Mauck could run the offense much more smoothly. They could read routes much faster
Makes me reall wonder. How can anyone compare JJ to Flynn or Mauck??? They are not in the same league by a long shot.
The fact that JJ talked the coaches into calling a run play when the game was on the line when the coaches had already decided to throw the ball tells me a whole lot about JJ... People here have more confidence in JJ than JJ does.
I know people are going to turn that comment around on me because the play was successful but think about. Game on the line. How many qb's would fight for a run play when the coaches called a pass?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 12:10 am to TIsuGGER
2 QB time! 10-2 season with surprise victory over Bama
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:56 am to omegaman66
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How many qb's would fight for a run play when the coaches called a pass?
wish jefferson would have changed the plays at the end of the ole miss game
runs instead of passes
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:27 am to LSUTigerfaninHtown
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JJ played poorly in a spring game and over most of the entire previous season.
FIFY
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:35 am to Roaad
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JJ is no All American, but he gets the nod for never throwing the game away
A sack, followed by a poorly thrown incompletion or a five yard completion on third and 12 (to pad those stats you love to cite), then a punt, when repeated over and over, can take the gas out of an offense (and a fanbase) just as surely as an interception. And JJ had almost 3X the number of sacks as JL had INTs.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:20 am to Icansee4miles
If I were an agent scrutinizing Jordan Jefferson, here's two observations I would make about the kid after every single game last year starting with the Washington game:
1. He's gun shy and holds onto the ball too long - is so scared to throw an int that when he spots a window with an open receiver, he decides to not throw moreso than throw the pass
2. When he takes the snap, instead of moving with the pocket, he moves in a south-southwest direction, which completely renders a pocket useless, regardless of how good the OL is - thus, giving the defensive ends more of a chance to beat their man and go in for the sack
These are the same criticisms I had after the spring game. If those things haven't been solved or at the very least improved on after an entire season, a break with time to think about it, and then a brand new spring - I can only expect we'll still be seeing the same.
And then throw in the fact that the kid is most likely frustrated as all hell so there will now be the negative psychology playing a factor too.
1. He's gun shy and holds onto the ball too long - is so scared to throw an int that when he spots a window with an open receiver, he decides to not throw moreso than throw the pass
2. When he takes the snap, instead of moving with the pocket, he moves in a south-southwest direction, which completely renders a pocket useless, regardless of how good the OL is - thus, giving the defensive ends more of a chance to beat their man and go in for the sack
These are the same criticisms I had after the spring game. If those things haven't been solved or at the very least improved on after an entire season, a break with time to think about it, and then a brand new spring - I can only expect we'll still be seeing the same.
And then throw in the fact that the kid is most likely frustrated as all hell so there will now be the negative psychology playing a factor too.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:30 am to drizztiger
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Same thing with Chicago Bears, BYU, Oregon and now LSU.
Internet folley, not the true facts but don't let that stop you....
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:40 am to infantry1026
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JJ seems like a very good kid(although he doesn't seem like a leader).
Just wondering. Which do you feel has shown more leadership ability JJ or JL?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:50 am to RealityTiger
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If I were an agent scrutinizing Jordan Jefferson, here's two observations I would make about the kid after every single game last year starting with the Washington game:
1. He's gun shy and holds onto the ball too long - is so scared to throw an int that when he spots a window with an open receiver, he decides to not throw moreso than throw the pass
2. When he takes the snap, instead of moving with the pocket, he moves in a south-southwest direction, which completely renders a pocket useless, regardless of how good the OL is - thus, giving the defensive ends more of a chance to beat their man and go in for the sack
These are the same criticisms I had after the spring game. If those things haven't been solved or at the very least improved on after an entire season, a break with time to think about it, and then a brand new spring - I can only expect we'll still be seeing the same.
And then throw in the fact that the kid is most likely frustrated as all hell so there will now be the negative psychology playing a factor too.
And as an agent you found not a single good quality in JJ as a QB?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:56 am to justustm2
Sure. I would see that kid has raw speed and can take a hit.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:16 am to ShortyRob
JJ is probably a good kid. That being said, I still think he has not shown consistently that he is an SEC caliber QB, As I see it, his problems are as follows
1) Either nervousness or inability to read defenses forces him to either take off and run too soon, or hold on and get sacked. I have seen him run out of bounds in the backfield rather than throw the ball away and not lose yardage.
2) He has virtually no touch on passes over 25 yards. he is consistently overthrowing receiveHs, even after all of the work he has had with Tolliver and Randell and the same with Lafell last year.
3) His stats from last year-62% completion rate are misleading. A majority of his passes were screens of short passes over the middle.
Is Lee the answer. I am not sure. I like the kid's arm strength and he shows leadership ability, demonstrated by his refusal to give up after the 2008 season, but he has to become more cognizatant of DB's when making his preads and passes over the middle which have led to Pick-Six's.
Only time will tell. Maybe Garrett is the answer. But one of them needs to really step up between now and August or otherwise we are looking at a long miserable season.
Finally, one last thought for now. Could it be that coaching, or lack thereof, is the problem with both JJ and JL?
1) Either nervousness or inability to read defenses forces him to either take off and run too soon, or hold on and get sacked. I have seen him run out of bounds in the backfield rather than throw the ball away and not lose yardage.
2) He has virtually no touch on passes over 25 yards. he is consistently overthrowing receiveHs, even after all of the work he has had with Tolliver and Randell and the same with Lafell last year.
3) His stats from last year-62% completion rate are misleading. A majority of his passes were screens of short passes over the middle.
Is Lee the answer. I am not sure. I like the kid's arm strength and he shows leadership ability, demonstrated by his refusal to give up after the 2008 season, but he has to become more cognizatant of DB's when making his preads and passes over the middle which have led to Pick-Six's.
Only time will tell. Maybe Garrett is the answer. But one of them needs to really step up between now and August or otherwise we are looking at a long miserable season.
Finally, one last thought for now. Could it be that coaching, or lack thereof, is the problem with both JJ and JL?
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 7:19 am
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:32 am to ShortyRob
Simply put, I don't think JJ is accurate, especially at long range, and I also think he appears to be lacking in leadership.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:33 am to Six Saint
Lee has more potential hands down. He has a quicker release, he is more accurate, he sees the field and is actually willing to step up in the pocket to make a throw. Granted Lee has made some of the worst decisions a quarterback can make, but we really threw him to the wolves his freshman year. The kid was not prepared to take the field in 2008 whether it be coaching or just plain inexperience. That in my opinion has had a serious effect on the kid. While I like Jefferson's tenacity, he just does not have the makings of a quarteback. His delivery is slow, he will not step up in the pocket to make a throw, and cannot see the field other than his primary receiver. I mean how many times have we watched this kid throw a ten yard pass into the dirt. I'm not saying Lee is the answer or gonna be great. I'm just saying he is our better option with more potential to succeed.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:42 am to Six Saint
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Is Lee the answer. I am not sure. I like the kid's arm strength and he shows leadership ability, demonstrated by his refusal to give up after the 2008 season, but he has to become more cognizatant of DB's when making his preads and passes over the middle which have led to Pick-Six's.
best comments in this thread.
You can probably bet that kid has matured in the last 2 years. To me, I think that showed on the field in the spring game.
I honestly think, if Jefferson doesn't get his arse in gear, Lee is going to get alot of snaps this year.
If he's successful, that's going to be one hell of a storyline for media outlets.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:52 am to ShortyRob
I say give all the qbs the wonderlink test. Highest score wins the starter positiion.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 7:57 am to kitavis
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I say give all the qbs the wonderlink test.
word
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:36 am to Geaux9
Neither qb impressed me...I DON'T LIKE PICK SIXES.....can you understand that?....
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:36 am to ForeLSU
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like arguing whether hemorrhoids or a stick in the eye is better..
I vote for hemorrhoids - it feels good when you scratch em.
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