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re: The problem is not with our offense is...
Posted on 9/22/10 at 4:29 pm to jdrumdog
Posted on 9/22/10 at 4:29 pm to jdrumdog
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The problem is the ultra conservative play calling.
If I had JJ on a team I'd keep it conservative too.
There are reasons why the play calling is conservative. Its slowly becoming more so.
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:50 pm to lsuexpert57
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Not sure where to start exactly with these ding dongs but here is as good a place as any.
OK so let me get this straight. It doesn't really matter who the OC for a team is, as long as he is using a scheme designed by a "good" OC. It doesn't matter who calls the plays or when, as long as he just has good plays to pick from. Hmmm....so all we need is just to watch film of good OC's copy their scheme then just put some drunk monkey in the booth picking out the plays at random and and in some players coached by Saban 3 years ago...and POOF..NC. Wow who knew it was sooooo EASY.
Now admit it, don't you feel stupid now that your position has been explained to you like that? No need to thank me...thats what I'm here for.
Crowton runs a version of the spread offense. When he gets a new job, his first year has been great. Let the stats explain.
Chicago Bears
1999: Bears record was 6-10. Their offense scored 272 points (17/game), 7th worst in the NFL. 31 TDs, 7th worst in NFL. Leading passer: Shane Matthews
2000: Bears record was 5-11. Their offense scored 214 points (13.4/game), 4th worst in the NFL. 22 TDs, 3rd worst in the NFL. Leading passer: Cade McNown
BYU
2001: BYU went 12-2. They scored an amazing 608 points (46.8/game). Luke Staley was the leading rusher in the nation. However they got killed in their last two games. Everybody loved Crowton as head coach.
2002: Their record was 5-7. BYU’s first losing season in 30 years. They scored 272 points (22.7/game).
2003: BYU went 4-8. They scored 196 points (16.3/game). They didn’t score a point in the game versus Utah.
2004: BYU went 5-6. They score 267 points (24.3/game). After 2003 season the only place they could go is up. Same thing at LSU, after bottoming out at 112th in total offense, the only place is up.
BYU went from scoring 608 points in 2001 to a low of 196 points in 2003! This was against average teams in the Mountain West Conference. He was the head coach and offensive coordinator at BYU.
Oregon
2005: Oregon went 10-2. They scored 414 points (34.5/game).
2006: Oregon went 7-6, losing their last 4. They scored 383 points (29.5/game).
There you have it. The only year he improved upon his previous year while at the same program was 2004. BYU couldn’t have gotten any worse after a terrible year in 2003.
Now if you look at his track record at LSU 2007 - 2009, you will see that his record has been duplicated exactly as we finished 112th in total offense with a team filled with 4 and 5 star talent.
The truth is Gary Crowton has a good offense. But smart teams are going to figure it out. Be ready for an undisciplined offense that fails to make any adjustments during the game or season.
Now, you don’t have to admit it, but you are a dumb arse!
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:07 pm to lsuexpert57
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Im sorry, did you just give Miles the "ultimate responsibility" for winning the NC in 2007? Ooops...now you've gone a painted yourself into a corner there chief.
Obviously, had not Nick Saban preceded Less Miles, there never would have been a MNC in 2007 because the program that Less Miles had the good fortune to walk into was loaded and built by his predecessor Nick Saban. Now after 2007 with a few minor exceptions the players on the team became primarily Less Miles', and at that point forward the ultimate responsibility for winning and losing became his alone.
Like I said also, and you can go back and read my posts, when Saban won the MNC at Alabama last year, he did it with Shula’s recruits. However, from this point forward, he has the ultimate responsibility for winning and losing because all the recruits are his.
Now, I hope I dumbed this down enough for you to understand it, because I don’t believe I can dumb it down anymore for you.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:12 pm to Dead Fish
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Obviously, had not Nick Saban preceded Less Miles, there never would have been a MNC in 2007 because the program that Less Miles had the good fortune to walk into was loaded and built by his predecessor Nick Saban. Now after 2007 with a few minor exceptions the players on the team became primarily Less Miles', and at that point forward the ultimate responsibility for winning and losing became his alone.
But there is absolutely no way Nick Satan would have won the NC in 2007 had he stayed. Saban couldn't have won the NC in 2007 with his own players.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
i've said it a million times and will continue to do so.
the sooner people just accept reality, and accept the fact that we have two so-so QBs that aren't very consistent. You don't start heaving it down the field with QBs you don't trust.
the sooner people just accept reality, and accept the fact that we have two so-so QBs that aren't very consistent. You don't start heaving it down the field with QBs you don't trust.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:15 pm to Dead Fish
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Now, I hope I dumbed this down enough for you to understand it, because I don’t believe I can dumb it down anymore for you.
What lucky people we are to have you around.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:31 pm to lsuexpert57
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Here's another faux paux by you, (that means stupid mistake...well not really, I added the stupid part myself)we have the PERSONNEL to run any kind of offense we want! I actually think that is part of the problem for our coaches. They are like the proverbial kid in a candy store. You want to run a power running game with a big tailback and bruising fb with a couple big TE's to help block? We got em. You want to run a spread with some small quick little backs and a QB that can run a bit? We got em. You wanna run a vertical passing game with some tall fast future NFL recievers and a strong armed QB? We got em. We have the talent to run whatever an OC can dream up..and in the past we have run some of everything. But as we have seen the last two year and starting this year, your trigger man is more important than any other piece. First you see what that guy can do, then that dictates what kind of offense you can have. It's as simple as that, not as simple as you....but simple.
Here’s what apparently you are too dumb and stupid to get. Although LSU is loaded to the gills with 4 & 5 star talent, as you readily admit, we finished 112th in total offense last season. We have never argued that the talent isn’t available; instead we’ve argued that Crowton is incompetent and apparently as arrogant and dumb as you are.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:36 pm to Dead Fish
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instead we’ve argued that Crowton is incompetent
agreed...that and the fact that we have 2 average QB's on the roster, on their best day.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:42 pm to dreaux
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Great defense + great special teams and can run the ball = quality, championship team.
but what he is really wanting is a balanced attack, but is hell bent on having a quality running game. Why? Because you have to control the clock and keep the other offense off the field. Miles seems to understand all this yet nobody else can. Amazing i tell you
Agree.
Bama won the NCG with ~60 yards passing, and a solid rushing game.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:43 pm to jdrumdog
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If I had JJ on a team I'd keep it conservative too.
Yeah but you have already demonstrated on several occasions that you are more than a little mentally incompetent.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:45 pm to ForeLSU
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agreed...that and the fact that we have 2 average QB's on the roster, on their best day.
Who would know ?
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:45 pm to ForeLSU
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agreed...that and the fact that we have 2 average QB's on the roster, on their best day.
I never argued that they weren't average, I argued that JJ is greater than JL, which is the reason he is the starter and JL is the backup.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 8:25 pm to BT
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Dead Fish
I have asked numerous times-immediate family or close friend? I guess your mouth has been too busy sucking to respond.
JJ might be a good kid, he is however, unequivocally, the weak link on this team.
And you are both clueless and tiresome.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:15 pm to Dead Fish
Honest, I still remember someone coming on a board after the 07 NC and congratulating and then warn that it is all down hill from here because of Crowton's M.O.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:12 pm to Icansee4miles
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JJ might be a good kid, he is however, unequivocally, the weak link on this team.
Unfortunately, he is not the weakest link on the team. Lee holds that distinction.
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