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re: The potential loss of JL after 2010..
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:44 pm to MasonTiger
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:44 pm to MasonTiger
[quote]Both of these kids are class acts, unlike the one who caused this mess.
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They are both trying hard to lead this team. The catch 22 in this case is that if Miles gives JL more meaningful snaps,and he is somewhat successful, it could undermine whatever confidence JJ has developed. Miles has cast his lot with JJ, I think in part due to his mobility.
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They are both trying hard to lead this team. The catch 22 in this case is that if Miles gives JL more meaningful snaps,and he is somewhat successful, it could undermine whatever confidence JJ has developed. Miles has cast his lot with JJ, I think in part due to his mobility.
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Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:46 pm to Good Times
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They are both trying hard to lead this team. The catch 22 in this case is that if Miles gives JL more meaningful snaps,and he is somewhat successful, it could undermine whatever confidence JJ has developed. Miles has cast his lot with JJ, I think in part due to his mobility.
Staff isn't doing JJ any favors with the play selection. He is much much better rolling out of the pocket IMO. His bast pass of the year was agains Moo U, on a rollout and pass to RS.
I blame the lack of development of both on the staff as well. I don't think neither can lead LSU to a title, but both may be able to do better than one.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
JL is getting playing time in the same way that the reserve QB at pretty much every school gets playing time, in mop up duty time. JL is getting playing time! Also he probably has as much experience or more than practically any reserve QB in the SEC. I think he is well prepared to come in and take over the reigns should, god forbid, JJ go down with an injury.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Staff isn't doing JJ any favors with the play selection.
Agree.
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He is much much better rolling out of the pocket IMO
THIS IS THE CORRECT CALL. You're hired.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:51 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Vandy is akin to playing La Tech.
Not really... We usually beat Vandy, but you don't see us putting up big numbers against them. They usually have a stingy D, but wear down in the end and we distance ourselves from them. I think we were 21-7-1 against Vandy going into that game.
With Tech, we usually put up big numbers and give them about zero chance to compete. They beat us 1 time and that was over 100 years ago. So I think there is a decent difference between the two.
Don't get me wrong, JJ's awful performance had very little to do with Vandy (other than a few nicely defended passes to RR), but I do think La Tech is easier to play against.
This post was edited on 9/20/10 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:53 pm to LSUAlum2001
yeah miss state has a very good defense. Yet they couldnt overcome 5 ints.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:57 pm to tigerbait01
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In response to the live game intensity do you think jj could have gotten the job done in 08 at Auburn? Give me a break! Lee deserves a chance and I think what scares Jefferson and all his supporters is that the kid just might show some promise.
He had his chances in 2008, but even though he was a redshirt freshmen, he threw 16 interceptions with a new NCAA record 7 pick sixes in only 8 games. Then last year against Bama when JJ got hurt, he was utterly pathetic, and then when he finally got a chance to redeem himself against a super weak and injury riddled La Tech team last season, he stunk big time, and now you yahoos want to start him based on a fricking spring game which is not nearly as intense as a real SEC game, give me a break. You guys are all homers.
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I'm not against Jefferson but what gets you to the conclusion that he is so much better than lee? And please don't say because that's who miles says will start.
Look at his stats, look at his game, look at his mobility, and look at his arm! It’s not even close. JJ is a hell of a lot better quarterback than JL will ever be close to becoming. JL wishes he was that good! And if you guys can’t see it, then it couldn’t be any more obvious that you losers all don’t have a clue! A fricking spring game, with no blitzes and only vanilla defenses, not to mention that nobody can touch the quarterbacks, and you losers want to start JL over JJ. Oh my God!
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And one other point: people need to stop saying well lee did bad in 08 or against la tech....etc. This is 2010 and Jefferson has what maybe 400 yards passing 2tds and 2 picks so far through a not so tough schedule. And he sure as hell isn't playing with last years or 08's running game,defense,or o-line.
Dude, the La Tech game was late last season! It is very pertinent! And the only reason that JJ’s numbers are down so for this years is because of Crowton’s ultra conservative play calling, as JJ can only execute the plays that are called.
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With all that being said I do not care who our qb is or what color. He can be purple for all I care. I just want our best opportunity to win and grow as a team.
Yes you do, are you wouldn’t have taken the time to write this garbage!
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:01 pm to Dead Fish
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His Bama showing was even worse!
That is completely untrue. Why do you say that? He completed 40% of his passes against a great D compared to 31% against La. Tech. Now, he got worse as the game went on, but he looked okay for the first few series and had one nice conversion called back for some BS penalty (considering all the other penalties/calls the refs missed). It wasn't a good performance, but it wasn't awful. It was a tough situation. That wasn't really his fault.
That Tech game was a whole different story. JJ was really bad against Vandy, but JL's passes against Tech were some of the most inaccurate passes I've ever seen. Almost all of his incompletions were totally uncatchable. So I don't know how you could possibly say he was even worse at Bama. He clearly wasn't.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:05 pm to Dead Fish
i know when la tech was.
i read all i needed to from you when you say jj has a stronger arm than lee. this sums up everything you say. if you honestly think this my friend you are the homer! everyone has said since day one he just doesn't have a strong enough arm!
P.S. are doesn't take the place of OR
i read all i needed to from you when you say jj has a stronger arm than lee. this sums up everything you say. if you honestly think this my friend you are the homer! everyone has said since day one he just doesn't have a strong enough arm!
P.S. are doesn't take the place of OR
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:05 pm to SFTiger
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Compare JJ's stats the first 3 games last year to the 1st 3 games this year.
Can you dumb asses all be this dumb? JJ can only execute the plays that GC in his infinite wisdom calls! How many times do I have to say it and why are all you dumb asses too dumb to figure out the obvious?
This post was edited on 9/20/10 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:06 pm to Dead Fish
you don't need to call anyone a dumbass. your english is horrible bro if you can't type one sentence with correct subj-verb agreement don't be calling anyone else dumb
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:11 pm to Colonel Flagg
JJ hasnt shown progress. Defend him if you want ,but dont come here putting down on JL. Who btw hasnt had the opportunity to show what he can do with another year under his belt.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:14 pm to tigerbait01
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everyone has said since day one he just doesn't have a strong enough arm!
I don't think that's JJ's problem at all. I've seen him hit on some very long passes and I've seen him throw bullets at times. His arm is plenty strong enough to be a QB in the SEC.
His problem is taking way too long to unleash the ball (if he decides to throw it at all). Also, his release is seemingly a little slow which makes throwing late a bigger issue. Those are his big issues right now.
This post was edited on 9/20/10 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:14 pm to lsusteve1
Give it a rest...quit rehashing old news...enjoy the ride, and let it play out.... 
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:16 pm to Dead Fish
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Dead Fish
Geez dude, are you his dad? You get a little overly passionate when anyone expresses honest criticism of the kid. You sure don't hold JJ to the same standard you do JL.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:17 pm to Dead Fish
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Can you dumb arse all be this dumb? JJ can only execute the plays that GC in his infinite wisdom calls! How many times do I have to say it and why are all you dumb asses too dumb to figure out the obvious?
Social forums are probably not for you. You can't debate, you get annoyed and ruffled if anyone disagrees with you. This is probably beyond your social ability to interact.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:20 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:I think he has a problem with his accuracy though, and his finesse at times.
I don't think that's JJ's problem at all. I've seen him hit on some very long passes and I've seen him throw bullets at times. His arm is plenty strong enough to be a QB in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/20/10 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:23 pm to tigerbait01
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do you really think he didnt play that bad against vandy? he couldn't even hit receivers on screens! are you kidding me?
On the screens, you are right he was off and also on the interception he wasn’t rushed, but on everything else he was rushed and hit as he was throwing and I know because I re-watched that game 3 times. Plus he was sick as well and even had to take an IV at half time. But even his one bad game, wasn’t as bad as JL’s last bad game, which was just one bad performance in a long list of bad performances.
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Something i think we will all agree on is that jj is scared to throw the ball down the field (mainly over the middle). that is his main problem to me.
Maybe last year when we didn’t have an offensive line capable of blocking anyone and he was running for his life, but not this year. You obviously aren’t paying close attention. Go back and re-watch the games so for this season and especially the NC and MSU games. Even though he was rushed like those two MSU quarterbacks were rushed last season, he still never played half as bad as those two MSU quarterbacks did last Saturday, whereas JL under the same kind of pressure, throws up wounded ducks to be intercepted because he isn’t nearly as quick as JJ.
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he has to realize running will not be able to save him all of his life from throwing the ball down the field.
I don’t know what you are watching, but JJ isn’t having to run for his life this season, and he is moving much better in the pocket than he did last season. You need to take off your rose-colored JL glasses and pay attention. This year’s version of JJ is not the same version as last season. He is much improved.
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he has to have the confidence to just let it rip sometimes and i think after seeing what happened to lee in 08 he is scared to death
He’s not scared at all; he is just a much better quarterback than JL who isn’t a SEC quality QB.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:33 pm to MasonTiger
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He has a problem with his accuracy though, and his finesse.
Yeah, for the Vandy game, it was completely suspect.
I personally feel he's more accurate than what people like to say. As far as our 2 QBs go, I think he's clearly been more accurate. I think almost all of his passes have a good chance at being caught. Many QBs struggle with having a # of passes that are completely uncatchable. JJ hasn't really had that issue (minus Vandy), but he doesn't place the ball as well as he should to WRs like has been mentioned many times on this board. He was nailing most of his passes this weekend, but he has issues with not leading his WRs as well as he could.
And with the finesse part, he still doesn't throw a screen like it should be thrown. He usually throws it too hard (though we haven't really set up blocks on screens well either). Still, it's something he should be doing better with. I find that he usually starts off the game throwing the ball too hard (nerves I guess....not sure), but tends to settle down as the game goes on.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:40 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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That is completely untrue. Why do you say that?
You must have been smoking crack when you watched the Alabama game, but I recently re-watched the game right before the season started this year, and JL was so rattled by the Bama rush that he was throwing passes behind the LSU receivers and right into the hands of the defenders who were all so shocked that they luckily dropped the ball. Everybody bitched about that horrible bad call on Peterson’s interception. However, it wouldn’t have made a difference because JL was playing and he could not come close to handling the pressure Bama was putting on him. JL was horrible in that game.
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He completed 40% of his passes against a great D compared to 31% against La. Tech.
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Now, he got worse as the game went on,
Yeah…once they started pressuring him like they had been JJ, he completely lost his cool!
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It wasn't a good performance, but it wasn't awful.
When Bama started pressuring him like they had been pressuring JJ, it was beyond awful; it was horrible.
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