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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:47 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:47 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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I admittedly have no idea how your mind processes facts. But in my mind, it is more than likely that Coach O will be approached by a number of Power-5 schools in the next several years. And that they will have the budget to beat LSU's current HC salary.
No significant P5 school is going to approach Orgeron now or in the future. Fair or not, he's viewed as a guy who is ENTIRELY reliant on his coordinators for actual game activities (play calling, game planning, etc). Except for Dabo, ALL of the highest paid college coaches have a history of either being a coordinator and/or play caller. O doesn't. Once the game starts, O is simply a bystander with the ability to call timeouts and decide whether to punt, kick a FG, or go for it on 4th down.
But lets assume a power conf. program would come after him. How many of those do you think would have the built in resources to match LSU? Do you think Texas, Ohio St., Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida, Oklahoma, etc. would be coming after O? I doubt it. AT BEST he would get to choose between a LSU and schools like Kansas, Baylor, Rutgers, Indiana. It would be a demotion terms of program prestige. LSU could simply call his bluff and say have fun trying to win big at Kansas on Kansas's budget.
Plus, even if he did hit the lottery and some major player approached him, LSU more than has the resources to match (if they wanted to). So why give a GUARANTEED extension preempt a possibility that is unlikely to happen?
Alabama doesn't pay Nick Saban simply as an reward for his greatness. They pay whatever amount is enough to make sure he remains the HC their program despite every other school in America desperately wanting him. If Alabama was the only school that wanted to employ Saban, they would pay him 1/4th of what he's making now.
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:48 pm to Tiger Ryno
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When aranda leaves see how successful he is.
Perfect timing
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:49 pm to Mickey Goldmill
If people are going to compare O to Dabo it’s sorta the logical question.
Dabo hires the best DC in college football and an amazing OC who left, and Clemson’s offense got better. Either Dabo is more involved in the offense than we give him credit for or he’s better at hiring coordinators
Dabo hires the best DC in college football and an amazing OC who left, and Clemson’s offense got better. Either Dabo is more involved in the offense than we give him credit for or he’s better at hiring coordinators
Posted on 1/31/19 at 4:56 pm to SammyTiger
Dabo also hired Kevin Steele. Nobody is perfect lol.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:04 pm to lsufball19
the Miles link you shared appears to be more about giving raises across the board. In fact, it opens with " The majority of LSU's head athletic coaches on Friday received new contracts that include pay raises and incentives".
you asked for an example. I gave you Tom Herman as an example. as for Smart and Miles, both won division titles within their first two years. so I suppose it is more accurate to say that an extension makes sense if the coach has won a division title, or like Riley, who got a raise and extension, went to a playoff.
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I have a question, do you just make stuff up and hope it's true before you post?
you asked for an example. I gave you Tom Herman as an example. as for Smart and Miles, both won division titles within their first two years. so I suppose it is more accurate to say that an extension makes sense if the coach has won a division title, or like Riley, who got a raise and extension, went to a playoff.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:10 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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the Miles link you shared appears to be more about giving raises across the board
If you read the article linked, you wouldn't have that response
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you asked for an example. I gave you Tom Herman as an example. as for Smart and Miles, both won division titles within their first two years. so I suppose it is more accurate to say that an extension makes sense if the coach has won a division title, or like Riley, who got a raise and extension, went to a playoff.
So you gave two examples that aren't apples to apples to comparisons and another that may prove to be wrong. Good job
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:13 pm to lsufball19
1. Saying Kirby got a raise an extension because he went to a NCG and won the conference is not a straw man. You’re talking about getting an extension in year 2 as common practice and then pointing out an extension that clearly occurred after a championship.
2. Is there any talk of Herman getting an extension?
3. Miles won the division in 2005 BTW
2. Is there any talk of Herman getting an extension?
3. Miles won the division in 2005 BTW
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:20 pm to SammyTiger
Y'all are acting like all "extensions" are the same. What matters more is the total length of his contract, salary, and buyout terms.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Has Joe Alleva ever negoatiated a reasonable extension?
If we’re just taking on another year cool.
He’ll if we’re taking on another year and bumping him to 4 mill I’m actually ok with that, too.
If we’re just taking on another year cool.
He’ll if we’re taking on another year and bumping him to 4 mill I’m actually ok with that, too.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:24 pm to SammyTiger
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Has Joe Alleva ever negoatiated a reasonable extension?
If we’re just taking on another year cool.
He’ll if we’re taking on another year and bumping him to 4 mill I’m actually ok with that, too.
Mainieri, Torina, DD off the top of my head.
And if I had to guess, the extension for O will likely be 1-2 years and a bump to $4 million.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Precisely.
What I am very specifically arguing against is the existence of an "industry practice" to negotiate extensions after 2 years into a 5 year contract. there is no industry standard and pretending like LSU is simply following some protocol by giving the extension is what I find so silly and odd.
What I am very specifically arguing against is the existence of an "industry practice" to negotiate extensions after 2 years into a 5 year contract. there is no industry standard and pretending like LSU is simply following some protocol by giving the extension is what I find so silly and odd.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:26 pm to LSUgrad1998
I hope that most of these dumb posts bashing our coach who did an outstanding job with major issues in some areas are not college students or graduates. I am afraid mommy and daddy wasted their money. 
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:35 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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there is no industry standard
Again, prove it
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I just Don’t want to kick his buyout drop 2 years down the road, and bump back up to 16 or 12 mil.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:50 pm to SammyTiger
1. 10-3, against a brutal schedule should be 11-2 (Texas A&M)
2. NY6 Bowl Win
3. #6 Final Ranking
4. Recruiting myth is true, need a coach signed for 4-5 years so other coaches cannot negative recruit plus that player or parent may ask him how long is he under contract
5. Strong 2019 class and 2020 class is ranked #2 now
6. Great team prep and motivator, our guys are always ready to play
7. Team likes him
8. He and his staff actually had us ready to play the bowl depleted defensively with 5-6 starters out, then during the game after ejections basically won the game with DB's from the offensive and water boys
9. Brady hire shows me he is getting help for our Offense and Steve E.
10. It's obvious our AD needs to make this happen as O is his guy, however O has made the hire look good thus far-exceeding most of these hostile fans' expectations
Give him an extension to 5 years under contract, 3.5 M for the 3 remaining years (2019-2021), then year 4 and 5 bump to $4.5 M
2. NY6 Bowl Win
3. #6 Final Ranking
4. Recruiting myth is true, need a coach signed for 4-5 years so other coaches cannot negative recruit plus that player or parent may ask him how long is he under contract
5. Strong 2019 class and 2020 class is ranked #2 now
6. Great team prep and motivator, our guys are always ready to play
7. Team likes him
8. He and his staff actually had us ready to play the bowl depleted defensively with 5-6 starters out, then during the game after ejections basically won the game with DB's from the offensive and water boys
9. Brady hire shows me he is getting help for our Offense and Steve E.
10. It's obvious our AD needs to make this happen as O is his guy, however O has made the hire look good thus far-exceeding most of these hostile fans' expectations
Give him an extension to 5 years under contract, 3.5 M for the 3 remaining years (2019-2021), then year 4 and 5 bump to $4.5 M
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:21 pm to Alt26
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Plus, even if he did hit the lottery and some major player approached him, LSU more than has the resources to match (if they wanted to). So why give a GUARANTEED extension preempt a possibility that is unlikely to happen?
You clearly have convinced yourself that no major program will come after Orgeron. I disagree. If O maintains or improves the current high rankings in end of year and recruiting rankings, he will be on many good Power-5 short lists. And if he does it a third season, even the blue chip programs will come calling.
Orgeron has the Magic Sauce... he can recruit with the very best. X & O guys are a dime a dozen compared to HC's who can put their gigantic egos aside long enough to relate to a kid and his parents in their (often) modest home.
One more thing about X & O coaches. Many do PhD level work developing their particular scheme. And they won't let go of it for years (sometimes never) after opponents have figured out all its weaknesses. Coach O can reset in a skinny minute. Joe Brady would be a case in point.
And Ballplayers respect O and play hard for him. You think that is the case in all programs - its not.
Alleva is smart to show Orgeron the respect he deserves by extending his contract. You disagree? That's fine.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:29 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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If O maintains or improves the current high rankings in end of year and recruiting rankings, he will be on many good Power-5 short lists.
I’m just going to say it’s a year too early.
He’s not going anywhere this year.
If he win 11 games next year give him a big raise and an extension.
But we had at least another year to make this decision.
And if we don’t really extend his buyout or increase it we should be ok.
Saying Xs and Os guys are a dime a dozen not really true. There are a lot of bad OCs out there.
There are lots of great recruiters.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:52 pm to MightyYat
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No, dipshit. You always have to have a winning coach inked for at least 4-5 years so that he can fight the recruiting battle with all of his bullets.
No. You. Don't.
This bullshite myth needs to die.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:52 pm to SammyTiger
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There are lots of great recruiters.
Only a very few are top-5 consistently. Coach O appears to have joined them.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I always read when Les was the coach that LSU recruited itself. So which is it?
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