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Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:54 pm to M0NTESAN0
You O lovers are the worst 
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:54 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I think You have to remember that LSU has a lot to do with Os success
He isn’t a home state guy, selling the home state school to elite home state players at any other P5 school.
LSU has been doing 10-3 for a while, and yes this year was a good year, but it’s not exactly the best year in school history.
Ok took over in 2016 we had 2 10-3 seasons and a 9-4 season the 4 years before that.
Our coach wasn’t supposed to rebuild the program he was supposed to take us to the next level.
He isn’t a home state guy, selling the home state school to elite home state players at any other P5 school.
LSU has been doing 10-3 for a while, and yes this year was a good year, but it’s not exactly the best year in school history.
Ok took over in 2016 we had 2 10-3 seasons and a 9-4 season the 4 years before that.
Our coach wasn’t supposed to rebuild the program he was supposed to take us to the next level.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:57 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Why do you give a shite if some other guy gets a raise?
Because that wasn't the reason that O was hired, and it wasn't the "vision," however weak that is.
What happens when O, someone who has never run one side of the ball, is making $6 million dollars because we keep giving him raises for 3 losses, and we have bad coordinators...because we aren't actually following the plan.
Let's go with a fact: O is not an X's and O's coach, he isn't a game plan leader, we are supposed to have a model where we defer those decisions to higher than average paid coordinators. What if we can't do that because O's mediocre performance, which is what it has been so far, takes up most of the available salary?
So the bill of goods that was sold:
Competing for Championships - Not even close
Hiring the Best Coordinators - Nope
Having a low-paid coach so we have more money to spend on coordinators - Not with a raise
Winning any kind of hardware - Nope
Getting better than 10 wins - Nope
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:59 pm to lsufball19
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I mentioned Muschamp earlier. He was just extended 2 years through 2024. He was already signed through 2022. He was also given a raise and was already making $4.2MM/year. And this is after a 7-6 season and 22-17 over three years, following two straight losing years at Florida. Are there other schools looking to hire him right now? Are there other schools willing to pay him what USC is? Is he doing as well as Spurrier did before him? The answer to all those questions is no. Which goes back to my point that it has, in fact, become industry practice. I don't like it, but it is.
you are comparing South Carolina football to LSU.
LINK
I know you also used Odom as an example, as well as Butch Jones. but the truth of the matter is, this is *not* industry standard. there are 128 FBS programs. citing 3-4 examples, even if they all tend to be from the same conference, does not make it some sort of rule or axiom ADs must follow.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:02 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
No it isn't. If Coach O was to be fired who on the staff would be named interim HC. It's Aranda. Coach O has 2 years remaining on his current deal. It makes no sense to rip up that contract, and give him a new one. I am all for giving Coach O a chance and another year at the helm, then evaluating him at the end of the 2019 season.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:04 pm to Whiskeyjack Del Rio
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that seems silly.
We are all here to root for LSU. I don't think there is anyone here who puts any coach or player on a pedestal.
seems to me like someone can root for LSU, root for the coach to succeed, while also thinking that from a business standpoint it makes no sense to extend a coach 2 years into a 5 year contract, no
Silly or not the lines were drawn long ago. There plenty of people on this board who feel that coach O will never be good enough. They will inject their negativity into anything that can remotely be assumed to positive.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:10 pm to Manswers
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The real key to the program's success is Aranda. Why on Earth would LSU want to extend O if Aranda might not be around? Now is the perfect opportunity to discuss succession planning. If that is part of O's extension - when the keys are handed off to Aranda, I'm ok. I'd like to hear what Aranda wants before we try to extend O who is going absolutely no where else.
The hell? Coming off his best season at LSU, now is the time to talk about who replaces him?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:10 pm to Freauxzen
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So the bill of goods that was sold:
Competing for Championships - Not even close
Hiring the Best Coordinators - Nope
Having a low-paid coach so we have more money to spend on coordinators - Not with a raise
Winning any kind of hardware - Nope
Getting better than 10 wins - Nope
Is LSU a top-10 program in '18? Yup
Will LSU have a Top-5 '19 recruiting class? Yup
Does it look like LSU will win 11 or more games in '19? Yup
Does it look like Orgeron will be the LSU HC for the nex 4 years? Yup
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:15 pm to SammyTiger
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LSU has been doing 10-3 for a while, and yes this year was a good year, but it’s not exactly the best year in school history. Ok took over in 2016 we had 2 10-3 seasons and a 9-4 season the 4 years before that. Our coach wasn’t supposed to rebuild the program he was supposed to take us to the next level.
13-1
10-3
10-3
8-5
9-3
8-4
9-4
10-3
I see progress getting us back to elite level.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:19 pm to bencoleman
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Silly or not the lines were drawn long ago. There plenty of people on this board who feel that coach O will never be good enough. They will inject their negativity into anything that can remotely be assumed to positive.
I don't think that anyone actually thinks that is the case. it seems far more likely to be the result of confirmation bias and tribal nature of internet banter.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:21 pm to Freauxzen
Dabo makes over $6 million and they can still afford top pay for their assistant coaches. Especially since the Miles payments are over, I’m not overly concerned about running out of money.
“Keeps getting raises for 3 losses” is a leap and you know it. First off, you don’t even know the terms of the new deal. Secondly, you and I both know he can’t keep his job if he loses 3 games every year going forward.
I can’t stand the people who keep spouting off that anyone saying something positive about O or our football program must be happy with 3 losses and mediocrity every year.
“Keeps getting raises for 3 losses” is a leap and you know it. First off, you don’t even know the terms of the new deal. Secondly, you and I both know he can’t keep his job if he loses 3 games every year going forward.
I can’t stand the people who keep spouting off that anyone saying something positive about O or our football program must be happy with 3 losses and mediocrity every year.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:22 pm to bsmi154
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Schools will negatively recruit against LSU if the head coach isn't under contract for more than 3 years. Saban uses this tactic very often.
You think Saban is using THAT as his recruiting pitch? Doubtful
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:23 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Keeps getting raises for 3 losses” is a leap and you know it. First off, you don’t even know the terms of the new deal. Secondly, you and I both know he can’t keep his job if he loses 3 games every year going forward.
So why not see if this is a trend and not a peak?
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
2014 8-5
2015 9-3
2016- 8-4
2017 9-4
2018 10-3
This feels more like a return to norm.
I think We have another year to see if O can break that 10 win ceiling we’ve had since 2011.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:31 pm to Freauxzen
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What if we can't do that because O's mediocre performance, which is what it has been so far, takes up most of the available salary?
Mediocre? 6th in the country is NOT mediocre. Top 5 recruiting class is NOT mediocre.
You're just making shite up.
And you have to spend money to make money. LSU should look to Alabama's coach salary budget. Not Missouri's.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:34 pm to SammyTiger
I’m sure his extension isn’t going to be a long one. Probably something like 2 years. In the grand scheme of things, it probably won’t matter. If we have the season I think we will this year, no harm done. If we don’t he has another couple years to prove he can break through. Either way, unless we totally bottomed out, he wasn’t getting fired anytime soon anyway.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Dabo makes over $6 million and they can still afford top pay for their assistant coaches. Especially since the Miles payments are over, I’m not overly concerned about running out of money.
And as soon as O wins 2 NC's you can make this comparison, until then, it doesn't work.
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Secondly, you and I both know he can’t keep his job if he loses 3 games every year going forward.
This is my greatest fear, and it's already happening. Sorry you don't see it. The lowering of the bar, the extension, the "we're improving, the hiring of E, etc.
The trigger will be the loss of Aranda and the carousel of DC's the buy O time. If O doesn't prove he can lose less than 3 games a year in 2019, we're in for the long haul of always needing "next season" to be good. We've already been ok with that as a fan base.
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I can’t stand the people who keep spouting off that anyone saying something positive about O or our football program must be happy with 3 losses and mediocrity every year.
If people were more critical of this year, then they might not be grouped in there. But 2018 was a standard Miles year. O performed slightly above average, only because the expectation was much worse. Most normal people suggested a 9-3/8-4 type of season. And we got that, with a deceptive bowl win.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
It depends on his buyout of course but I cant Imagine a situation where his contract is extended with no protection.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:41 pm to Manswers
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Now is the perfect opportunity to discuss succession planning
This is a perfect example of how far some of our fans are disconnected from reality. I'd love to hear that conversation.
Alleva: Ed we think that this is a perfect time to discuss when you plan to hand the keys to Aranda here.
Ed: turns to Aranda. "You're fired" turns back to Alleva "never but we're in the market for a new defensive coordinator"
Posted on 1/31/19 at 3:52 pm to Freauxzen
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And as soon as O wins 2 NC's you can make this comparison, until then, it doesn't work.
Our model was based on theirs is my point. It CAN work. You can afford paying top level HC and assts.
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This is my greatest fear, and it's already happening. Sorry you don't see it. The lowering of the bar, the extension, the "we're improving, the hiring of E, etc.
Lol dude you’re delusional. It’s not already happening. Sorry you don’t enjoy LSU football.
The bar has not been lowered. Reasonable minds look at things like progress on the field, level of recruiting, trends, etc. to decide where they think the program is heading. Not even the biggest O fans in the world will be satisfied never winning the SEC and having 3 losses every year.
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