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re: The LSU QB Delusion/Illusion
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:28 am to WiscyTiger
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:28 am to WiscyTiger
Not really arguing with you either, just a reminder with some QBs "it is what it is", and coaches can't lose games for sake of trying, unless substantially behind.
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:03 pm to Errerrerrwere
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I've now started seeing threads for Danny Etling and if he is good enough to take over Harris next year.
And no one should respond at all to these threads. They might as well not get posted.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:09 pm to WiscyTiger
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We have seen the same thing under multiple OCs. I don't blame Cam or any other OC. I don't blame the QBs, but recruiting the QB we want is also on the HC. It's been the same shite since 2008, after Miles went into a turtleshell and started trying to "hide" his QB from making a mistake.
spot on. people should go look at highlights from 2005-2008 on youtube. the offense didn't play not to lose and timid.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:19 pm to Salviati
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Greg McElroy
first year starter in 2009
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A.J. McCarron
first year starter in 2011
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Jake Coker
first year starter in 2015
truly is amazing how Alabama can win/go to the CFP with first year starting QB's
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:41 pm to monsterballads
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truly is amazing how Alabama can win/go to the CFP with first year starting QB's
It's not that amazing, McElroy was a redshirt junior before he started a game, McCarron was a redshirt sophomore, and Sims and Coker were both redshirt seniors.
FWIW, Brandon Harris in his sophomore year averaged more yards per game and more TDs per game than McElroy did as a redshirt junior.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:52 pm to monsterballads
They also don't play Bama's defense every year
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:10 pm to monsterballads
quote:None so blind.
truly is amazing how Alabama can win/go to the CFP with first year starting QB's
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:52 pm to Salviati
I know they had several years in the program, but first year starting QB's winning so much is unreal.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:56 pm to monsterballads
It really is an odd phenomena, and it's not just about Alabama, either. Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Cardale Jones... the right way to go about this game is to recruit extremely talented QBs out of high school, groom them on the bench for 2-3 years, and then let them tear up defenses.
Unfortunately, we haven't had much luck in getting the guys we've been targeting (Kiel, Franks), and the ones we're left with don't stay here for very long (Perrilloux, Rivers, Rettig, Randall).
That's why getting Dwayne Haskins in this class and being able to rely on McMillan, Etling, and Jennings if we need them is critical.
Unfortunately, we haven't had much luck in getting the guys we've been targeting (Kiel, Franks), and the ones we're left with don't stay here for very long (Perrilloux, Rivers, Rettig, Randall).
That's why getting Dwayne Haskins in this class and being able to rely on McMillan, Etling, and Jennings if we need them is critical.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 3:38 pm to monsterballads
quote:One of these isn't like the others and 8-5 with as many INTs as TDs is hardly offensive instructional material.
people should go look at highlights from 2005-2008
Posted on 1/10/16 at 3:47 pm to Mayhawman
2008 was still a very aggressive offensive gameplan throwing downfield and across the middle. it was just a shite show when lee didn't want to take any contact and threw off his back foot.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:02 pm to monsterballads
quote:Agreed, but aggressive to a fault- especially MOF, regardless of cause on errant throws/reads.
2008 was still a very aggressive offensive gameplan throwing downfield and across the middle. it was just a shite show when lee didn't want to take any contact and threw off his back foot.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:10 pm to monsterballads
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truly is amazing how Alabama can win/go to the CFP with first year starting QB's
Again, go back and re-read Salviati's post with the graphs. While first year starters,those guys were upper classmen. They had been practicing under the coaches and studying the playbook for quite a while. Not to mention the physical and mental maturity.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:16 pm to Errerrerrwere
There have been many youngs QBs reach championship games. Clemson and OSU back to back years.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:07 am to Errerrerrwere
Serious question: Whose fault is it that BH can't complete short to mid-range passes?
Posted on 1/11/16 at 3:27 am to emanresu
quote:Are you seriously suggesting that no school in the last 5 years has struggled with a young QB besides LSU?
In the last 5 years we've seen basically all teams do fine offensively with first year starters at QB. Everyone but LSU that is.
quote:Well, you're clearly well versed in confirmation bias.
And the people who keep denying it are guilty of confirmation bias.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 5:56 am to monsterballads
" Miles went into his turtle shell and started trying to hide his QB from making mistakes"
This. And it has lingered. We have had strong teams that could win most games w/o a strong QB. The one year that Mett was so good, our D was depleted by graduation and more importantly from early departures.
I think dodging the bullet recently, will shake Miles out of his pick six funk, and FORCE him to rely on a different offensive game plan. I see that having LF7 and what appeared to be a solid OL made him double down on the run game and defense. That three game stretch was convincing, that he must change.
My only complaint, is that we didn't use the early season to "season" JH. I think the Heisman influenced Mile to not change. Once we needed the QB, it was too late.
This. And it has lingered. We have had strong teams that could win most games w/o a strong QB. The one year that Mett was so good, our D was depleted by graduation and more importantly from early departures.
I think dodging the bullet recently, will shake Miles out of his pick six funk, and FORCE him to rely on a different offensive game plan. I see that having LF7 and what appeared to be a solid OL made him double down on the run game and defense. That three game stretch was convincing, that he must change.
My only complaint, is that we didn't use the early season to "season" JH. I think the Heisman influenced Mile to not change. Once we needed the QB, it was too late.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 6:04 am to alumni95
Sucked is a little harsh , inconsistent & not impressive may be better adjectives.
My point is these guys typically take a couple years to be good.
Flynn had a good bowl game as a JR , his previous appearances were very uninspiring , JR had some bad games as a sophomore much like Harris. Dak and Bo Wallace were turnover machines against us.
Tommy Hodsonis the only QB I remember lighting it up as a true freshman .
My point is these guys typically take a couple years to be good.
Flynn had a good bowl game as a JR , his previous appearances were very uninspiring , JR had some bad games as a sophomore much like Harris. Dak and Bo Wallace were turnover machines against us.
Tommy Hodsonis the only QB I remember lighting it up as a true freshman .
Posted on 1/11/16 at 6:14 am to ecb
Tommy Hodson was very accurate in the short to medium game, especially over the middle to Wendell Davis. What a duo. 
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