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re: The LesBechler Theory
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:15 am to Choctaw
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:15 am to Choctaw
quote:
but Saban did not "build" LSU. no matter how hard you want to believe it.
Ok, after Paul Dietzel: about a 40 year period, about a 3rd of LSU's football existence.
3 SEC titles
ZERO national titles
1 Top 5 finish
2 10 win seasons
25 7-9 win seasons
12 losing seasons
Yea, that's not mediocre.
Since 2000
4 SEC Titles
2 National Titles, another Title appearance
5 Top 5 finishes
2 other in top 10
7 10+ win seasons
0 losing seasons
At least 8 wins a season every year
Yea, no difference there!
quote:
LSU is #12 all-time in wins and #13 all-time in win %
And 123 of those wins have come since 2000. Greatest run in LSU history. So like I said, Saban built it and Miles maintained it.
Oh, and one more thing, going back to your "LSU is top 12 all time in wins" bull crap. LSU has been playing football for 113 years. They were lower than top 12 before Saban came, so including the 123 wins since 2000, they've only had to win 6.2 games per year to accomplish that feat.
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Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:21 am to GarmischTiger
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:22 am to Lee Chatelain
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they've only had to win 6.2 games per year to accomplish that feat.
so? they're still top 12. but i guess we can thank the the 5 years that Saban was here out of 113 for that.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:22 am to Choctaw
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i don't really know why i'm arguing. known biased Miles haters opinions are pretty much worthless in these debates
My posts aren't about Miles, nor are they bashing Miles. I simply said LSU has been a mediocre team up until 2000 when Saban came.
I give 100% credit to Saban for doing something that no other LSU coach could do since Dietzel. Miles kept the gas tank full and the truck running that Saban gave him. He might drive it different, but LSU has pretty much had the same success.
I've admitted that I don't like Miles, but I am in no way bashing him in this thread.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:24 am to tiger88
quote:
tiger88
i bet you're a huge hit at parties
Saban built the team you saw in '04....Miles built the team you see today
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:27 am to Choctaw
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win 6.2 games per year
Ok dipshit! Before 2000, LSU had 588 wins in 101 seasons.
That's about 5.8 wins per season. How in the hell is that not mediocre? You're not that stupid are you?
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:28 am to EarthwormJim
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You ever plan on describing the differences between that "post-Saban collection of philosophies" and the "unified all *LM philosophy, or scheme?"
"post-Saban collection of philosophies" = the program in state left by Saban maintained by *LM & staff
"unified all *LM philosophy, or scheme?" = LesBechler scheme, or...
in other words...
Schembechler attended Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. He was a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity. He played football under two legendary, and completely different, coaches. Sid Gillman, his first coach at Miami, was an innovative offensive mind and one of the fathers of the modern passing game. His concepts helped to form the foundation for football's West Coast offense. Prior to Schembechler's last season, Gillman departed to become head coach at the University of Cincinnati. He was replaced by the renowned and fiery Woody Hayes, who could not have been more unlike Gillman. Hayes embraced the run, eschewed the pass, and demanded tough, physical play from his linemen. Rather than innovation, Hayes stressed repetition—he wanted his players to run each play flawlessly. Over the next forty years, Hayes' impact on his young protege was clearly evident. Schembechler's teams at Michigan were molded in the spirit of Hayes' Ohio State teams.
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I hate plain speak, but here goes:
I DON'T WANT TO SEE MEEECHIGAN FOOTBALL IN TS!
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:33 am to meldawg399
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Ditto for Saban this year
lol @ comparing 2007 LSU to 2011 Bama
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:38 am to tiger88
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I DON'T WANT TO SEE MEEECHIGAN FOOTBALL IN TS!
Sooooo, did you write some bullshite blog blasting Saban in 00, the first part of 01 when we lost 3 games that should have eliminated us from the SECW with Rohan and JReed chomping at the bit to be let loose, 02, or 04????
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"post-Saban collection of philosophies" = the program in state left by Saban maintained by *LM & staff
Sticking with the asterisk huh killer? Deadly. You're like a literary assassin. Just scathing commentary.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:42 am to tiger88
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I hate plain speak
really, never guess it. I think you also hate making sense. oh btw can you tell me who the all time winningest program in college football?
I don't hate plain speak. I dont ever want to see you start a thread again.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:46 am to tiger88
quote:
-QB coordinates the TWO
How the frick did JJ or Lee coordinate anything associated with the LSU defense? That is just silly.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:47 am to tiger88
quote:I know what an asterisk is - and more importantly, I know how to use one.
tiger88
I've now read the OP on your Distilling down Les Miles thread THREE times, and I'm still puzzled. If the answer lies somewhere in the five pages of that thread, then I give up.
An asterisk means there's a condition or caveat attached to the thing you've affixed it to. When used properly, the condition or caveat is explained by the author.
I think you're out-clevering yourself.
ETA: From your link: My first rule for using an asterisk is to always make sure it refers to something at the bottom of the page. It makes me crazy when ads have an asterisk next to some offer, and then you can't find what it means.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:47 am to dke2
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I dont ever want to see you start a thread again.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:51 am to geauxjo
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But he did devise a plan to beat Oregon. He did devise a plan
What is your main point?
He crapped in the middle of the field in the BS BCSNCG.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:56 am to tiger88
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I DON'T WANT TO SEE MEEECHIGAN FOOTBALL IN TS!
Well guess what, you've been seeing Michigan syle football for past decade at LSU.
The philisophies of Saban, Miles, Schembechler, and hundreds of other champiohship caliber teams are to run the ball, play defense, and win with an efficient QB.
Let's take a look at the passing yards for this years Alabama team with Saban and Bo Schembechler's 1985 team, since you think that is the difference.
Michigan - Jim Harbaugh
145/227, 1,976, 18 TDs, 6 Ints
Alabama - McCarron
196/294, 2,400 yds, 16 TDs, 5 Ints
LSU - Lee/Jefferson combined
165/267, 2,043, 20 TDs, 5 Ints
Not much of a difference, considering the landscape of college football in perspective years.
Both teams relied on power running, defense, and efficient QB play to win. So tell me again how does Miles' philosophy differ from Saban's?
Posted on 1/20/12 at 10:56 am to tiger88
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I DON'T WANT TO SEE MEEECHIGAN FOOTBALL IN TS!
Nor do I. LM ain't right...in the head.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:02 am to GarmischTiger
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GarmischTiger
my asterisk (e.g. *CLM) is to a footnote in my mind; that is, to an opinion which I've tried to express in my posts herein, with a couple of "theories". And I prefer to keep it that way.
It is also a protest of sorts, until the stain and stank of what was left in the Super Dome goes away. Only next season may tell.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:10 am to White Tiger
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Nor do I. LM ain't right...in the head.
He so badly wanted to win it all this year with that offensive scheme, he stuck with it (in the BCSCG) against his better judgment (or so I would hope) and anyone watching that game.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:17 am to White Tiger
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Posted by White Tiger quote: But he did devise a plan to beat Oregon. He did devise a plan What is your main point? He crapped in the middle of the field in the BS BCSNCG.
My point is you can't act like Miles is clueless in game planning just because of the NCG. Without his game planning skills we're not even in that game. Yes. We didn't get it done that night. But his planning in some huge games before that got us to that point. The man has proved that he knows what he's doing. Despite the biased and willfully ignorant people who say otherwise.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:20 am to legohairedman
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But CHAVIS did devise a plan to beat Oregon. He did devise a plan to beat WV. CHAVIS did devise a plan to beat Bama the first time. CHAVIS did devise a plan to beat Ark. CHAVIS did devise a plan to beat Ga. CHAVIS did devise a plan that won the division and the conference. So....
and people wonder why im so pro-Miles on here.
i'm amazed at how may people blame him for everything, give him credit for nothing, and refuse to (or simply can't) see the big picture....even after 7 years.
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