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re: The legacy of Lee and Les and how they're intertwined
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:26 pm to Powerman
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:26 pm to Powerman
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You could make an argument that he wouldn't be as untouchable without Lee.
And your argument could easily be dismissed as pure insanity.
Miles has achieved despite JJ and despite Lee.
Not because of either.
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Take away his contributions and you have a potential losing season in 2008, 2 more losses in 2010 and who knows what this season would have been.
This is just pure insanity. It's asinine, really.
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Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:28 pm to OBUDan
I'm glad you went through all of that trouble to refute my refutation that your point about the defense not getting enough rest was stupid for obvious reasons.
You obviously didn't get how obviously stupid your statement was
And I'm not going to spell it out for you. You're smart enough to figure it out if you think for a minute.
You obviously didn't get how obviously stupid your statement was
And I'm not going to spell it out for you. You're smart enough to figure it out if you think for a minute.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:29 pm to OBUDan
It is clear you have a bias against Lee. Everyone knows that neither Lee or JJ are good QBs. Just admit that for personal reasons, you don't like Lee. It is okay, you don't have to like every player that has ever played at LSU.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:29 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Everyone knows that neither Lee or JJ are good QBs.
I don't think RobbBobb knows that.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:31 pm to saintsfan22
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I don't think RobbBobb knows that.
He's always been a beLEEver.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:32 pm to OBUDan
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This is just pure insanity. It's asinine, really.
So you're confident that we beat AU, SC, MSU, Troy with Hatch going the distance?
And didn't Hatch get the wind knocked out of him in the AU game which was the only reason Lee came in to begin with?
Then what do you have? True freshman Jordan Jefferson?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:03 pm to Powerman
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I'm glad you went through all of that trouble to refute my refutation that your point about the defense not getting enough rest was stupid for obvious reasons
I proved that the myth of "the defense" put Jarrett Lee in "bad spots" was exactly that.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:05 pm to OBUDan
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I proved that the myth of "the defense" put Jarrett Lee in "bad spots" was exactly that.
You specifically referenced them having to go back on the field because of his turnovers
Can you figure out why that's stupid?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:06 pm to Powerman
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So you're confident that we beat AU, SC, MSU, Troy with Hatch going the distance?
No, I'm not.
But there's no way either you nor I could know.
We ran the ball well in 2009. I would have liked to have seen what would have happened if we could have shortened games with our running game and not turn it over.
Like I said, the play-by-play spells it out pretty well. Most of the bad situations we were in was due to Lee turning the ball over and specifically giving the defense points.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:08 pm to Powerman
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You specifically referenced them having to go back on the field because of his turnovers
Yes.
Defense gets a stop. The opposing offense punts. Lee throws a pick. Suddenly the defense is back on the field in a matter of 3-4 minutes rather than 10-15 minutes.
I'm not sure what you are missing. That's pretty logical.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:16 pm to DP40
This whole Les/Lee saga reminds me of an old movie titled "One on One." It's about a conservative coach recruiting a gunslinger then turning the whole team against the gunslinger to the point of allowing physical harm to make the gunslinger quit. All because the gunslinger would not change to become as conservative as the coach. Then at the end of the season the coach has no choice but to play the gunslinger when injuries leave the coach with no other choice but to play the gunslinger. Gunslinger comes in with team losing and goes Pistol Pete on the court and saves the teams undefeated season. I recommend you younger ranters watch this old movie.
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Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:16 pm to OBUDan
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Yes.
Defense gets a stop. The opposing offense punts. Lee throws a pick. Suddenly the defense is back on the field in a matter of 3-4 minutes rather than 10-15 minutes.
I'm not sure what you are missing. That's pretty logical.
Well for starters with many of them being brought back to the house the defense isn't going back on the field.
Secondly, if we pick up 2 first downs and then throw an INT it's really not any worse than a 3 and out and a punt. And we've seen PLENTY of that
Point is the defense isn't what it was over the last 3 years with Chavis
4 of the pick 6s came against UGA and UF. And without those we still would have needed to score in the mid to high 30s to win. If you're going to go down, you go down swinging.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:21 pm to Powerman
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Well for starters with many of them being brought back to the house the defense isn't going back on the field.
But it's more than the being tired element. I was more commenting on the issue that Lee's play frequently put the D in bad spots whether it was by giving the opposing offense a short field or giving the opponent points.
He threw 6 pick sixes that year, sure. But he also threw 16 total picks. So it's not as if it was just 6 mistakes. He was turning the ball over at an extremely high rate, and as can be seen through the play-by-play, was putting the team in terrible position.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:29 pm to OBUDan
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He threw 6 pick sixes that year, sure. But he also threw 16 total picks. So it's not as if it was just 6 mistakes. He was turning the ball over at an extremely high rate, and as can be seen through the play-by-play, was putting the team in terrible position.
Right...but as I stated in 2 of those losses we would have had to put up a lot of points so we couldn't exactly play conservative on offense.
You go down swinging IMO
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:34 pm to OBUDan
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He didn't really bail us out vs. Tennessee last year
You're Kidding right?
4th and 13 ring a bell?
3/10 for 30 yards and 2 int for JJ ring a bell?
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:35 pm to TheDoc
I broke it down pretty well earlier.
I don't feel the need to re-hash my argument all over again.
Lee didn't play well that game outside of a few throws. He struggled to keep the offense on the field just as much as JJ did.
I don't feel the need to re-hash my argument all over again.
Lee didn't play well that game outside of a few throws. He struggled to keep the offense on the field just as much as JJ did.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:37 pm to OBUDan
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Lee didn't play well that game outside of a few throws. He struggled to keep the offense on the field just as much as JJ did.
Except when he drove the team down the field and miles put in JJ to finish lee's drive
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:37 pm to OBUDan
So was it Lee or Crowton in '08 to blame? You put the blame on Lee for the picks, but Crowton is supposedly the reason behind the poorly developed QB's. Which is it?
I'd say it was both in '08. Lee being a freshman you should expect some bad play typical of freshmen. See past SEC starting FR QB's.
The Bama game was unbelievable how Crowton/Miles put that game on JL's shoulders when they didn't need to. I was shocked at some of the playcalling early and late.
I'd say it was both in '08. Lee being a freshman you should expect some bad play typical of freshmen. See past SEC starting FR QB's.
The Bama game was unbelievable how Crowton/Miles put that game on JL's shoulders when they didn't need to. I was shocked at some of the playcalling early and late.
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:38 pm to OBUDan
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Lee didn't play well that game outside of a few throws.
Right
Crucial throws that Miles didn't trust JJ to make
If JJ goes the distance, then we lose that game. Everyone knows that except you apparently.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:38 pm to TheDoc
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Except when he drove the team down the field and miles put in JJ to finish lee's drive
Actually, he could have been a real hero had he not thrown a careless pick on 1st and goal the drive before that.
Because then, in all likelihood, we wouldn't have needed the last minute drive and the whole too many men on the field debacle would have never happened.
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