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The good, the bad, the same and moral victories.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 4:39 am
Posted on 11/5/17 at 4:39 am
If you are an LSU fan, there are many things to take away from this game. I am sure there are many opinions about the game and the program here is mine.
The Good.
Effort. Our guys played hard for 60 minutes. After watching Moo State and Troy, I would not have believed we were capable of an effort like that.
OL/DL after getting manhandled in a few games, the lines stepped up big time. Perfect? No, but good enough to give us a chance to beat the best team in the country.
Every player every member of the staff including O deserves credit. This team could have packed it in after Troy and didn’t.
Arden Key, Devin White, Corey Thompson, Frank Herron, Greedy, KT. I could go on. The D was very very good most of the night.
overall played well enough to give us a chance to win.
Canada playcalling. I give it a good if not very good. Again not perfect and hamstrung by limited QB but I liked much of it.
Aranda very good.
The bad
QB play and the passing game. If you needed any further evidence that Etling isn’t the answer after getting pulled with 4 mins left? I don’t know what to tell you. Stats QBR are for losers. Etling had a drop or 2 but while he is a great, tough kid, he just Isn’t capable.
Chark. Just looked off. Half a step and hands of stone on O and totally lost returning punts last night. I love Chark we lose another game or 2 if not for him. But this wasn’t his best or even a good night.
D was great, but there were a couple “3rd and Chavis” type moments that proved difference in the game. We had Bama backed up a few times in 3rd and long and let them off the hook. Overall D was great, but when you play good or great teams one or two plays are the difference in the game.
Decision to pull Etling with 4 mins left. Clown show. It’s idiotic unless we go with Brennan the rest of the way. O and the staff knew that while Etling is a good tough kid, he can’t WIN a big game. He can’t carry you. It makes a difference. Hurts wasn’t great but he made a few plays that won the game for Bama.
QB play matters.
It should not have taken 8 games and 56 minutes to realize it and specifically for this game if you are gonna give Brennan a shot you do it in the 3rd or early 4th. The timing was indefensible.
The same.
Average loss over previous 6 was 16 points we lost by 14.
QB play. Hurts, yes the very same Hurts who had a lower QBR coming in beat us. He extended drives with his legs and hit just enough in the passing game to win.
Same ole same ole for us. The INT hurt. But what hurt most? We were in need of really just a couple of big plays in the passing game. Until we are capable of it, we are who we are, a program that watches other programs play for championships. No we don’t need Tom Brady we need a kid like Hurts (not necessarily a kid with legs but a kid who can make big plays and win games)
QB play was the difference.
We can and should improve recruiting in the trenches. But it’s tinkering on the edges until we can field a QB who is a difference maker.
Championship teams need it.
RZ O. This is a game where FG’s weren’t gonna win it. We need to be more efficient in the RZ, QB could help.
Moral victories. I just hate that many in our fan base simply don’t care any more if we win or not. Look, I am so pleased and proud of the effort we gave last night. But losing sucks. A handful of plays were the difference. This game was there for the taking and we didn’t grab it by the throat and take it.
Be proud of the effort but please don’t give the impression that it’s enough if it doesn’t translate into a W.
Overall direction of the program. I have been vocal about Alleva and O and the decision was pull Etling, not the decision but the timing was idiotic. But this isn’t the night or morning to pile on O or Alleva.
The team was ready to play, played hard. Discussions of O are better left for another time.
The staff gets a ton of credit for getting us prepared and playing hard for 60 mins.
The Good.
Effort. Our guys played hard for 60 minutes. After watching Moo State and Troy, I would not have believed we were capable of an effort like that.
OL/DL after getting manhandled in a few games, the lines stepped up big time. Perfect? No, but good enough to give us a chance to beat the best team in the country.
Every player every member of the staff including O deserves credit. This team could have packed it in after Troy and didn’t.
Arden Key, Devin White, Corey Thompson, Frank Herron, Greedy, KT. I could go on. The D was very very good most of the night.
overall played well enough to give us a chance to win.
Canada playcalling. I give it a good if not very good. Again not perfect and hamstrung by limited QB but I liked much of it.
Aranda very good.
The bad
QB play and the passing game. If you needed any further evidence that Etling isn’t the answer after getting pulled with 4 mins left? I don’t know what to tell you. Stats QBR are for losers. Etling had a drop or 2 but while he is a great, tough kid, he just Isn’t capable.
Chark. Just looked off. Half a step and hands of stone on O and totally lost returning punts last night. I love Chark we lose another game or 2 if not for him. But this wasn’t his best or even a good night.
D was great, but there were a couple “3rd and Chavis” type moments that proved difference in the game. We had Bama backed up a few times in 3rd and long and let them off the hook. Overall D was great, but when you play good or great teams one or two plays are the difference in the game.
Decision to pull Etling with 4 mins left. Clown show. It’s idiotic unless we go with Brennan the rest of the way. O and the staff knew that while Etling is a good tough kid, he can’t WIN a big game. He can’t carry you. It makes a difference. Hurts wasn’t great but he made a few plays that won the game for Bama.
QB play matters.
It should not have taken 8 games and 56 minutes to realize it and specifically for this game if you are gonna give Brennan a shot you do it in the 3rd or early 4th. The timing was indefensible.
The same.
Average loss over previous 6 was 16 points we lost by 14.
QB play. Hurts, yes the very same Hurts who had a lower QBR coming in beat us. He extended drives with his legs and hit just enough in the passing game to win.
Same ole same ole for us. The INT hurt. But what hurt most? We were in need of really just a couple of big plays in the passing game. Until we are capable of it, we are who we are, a program that watches other programs play for championships. No we don’t need Tom Brady we need a kid like Hurts (not necessarily a kid with legs but a kid who can make big plays and win games)
QB play was the difference.
We can and should improve recruiting in the trenches. But it’s tinkering on the edges until we can field a QB who is a difference maker.
Championship teams need it.
RZ O. This is a game where FG’s weren’t gonna win it. We need to be more efficient in the RZ, QB could help.
Moral victories. I just hate that many in our fan base simply don’t care any more if we win or not. Look, I am so pleased and proud of the effort we gave last night. But losing sucks. A handful of plays were the difference. This game was there for the taking and we didn’t grab it by the throat and take it.
Be proud of the effort but please don’t give the impression that it’s enough if it doesn’t translate into a W.
Overall direction of the program. I have been vocal about Alleva and O and the decision was pull Etling, not the decision but the timing was idiotic. But this isn’t the night or morning to pile on O or Alleva.
The team was ready to play, played hard. Discussions of O are better left for another time.
The staff gets a ton of credit for getting us prepared and playing hard for 60 mins.
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Posted on 11/5/17 at 4:49 am to NoGeaux
I dont know if its moral victories or everyone just not being a whiney vag for once about everything. All this fanbase does is whine.. even when things go right.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 5:13 am to NoGeaux
Brilliant summary in many ways. I agree with most all you said here.
What I would like to add is that even imperfect play by a QB can be somewhat offset by receivers who make a greater effort to actually catch the ball in their vicinity, are aware of the QB’s inconsistencies, run their routes and adjust in the middle or at the end of that route if needed without pulling up, and then actually catch the ball enough times to truly be a real weapon.
LSU has had, with the exception of Mett, a string of shaky and inconsistent QBs who don’t seem to know if they are fish or fowl with any confidence. BUT there have also been a string of talented but hot and cold receivers, who catch or don’t catch, it almost seems, as the mood strikes them. Chark is the current model. What I find frustrating with him is that even if DE hits him in the hands, he is no certainty to catch the ball (not that any receiver ever is). And I’ve watched him run his routes half heartedly too many times and not make the kind of effort I’ve seen other receivers from other teams put forth to catch the ball in their vicinity (takes hands, feet, and heads engaged - plus desire).
QB - good to manage a game but a QB needs to be more than just a manager to be a success at LSU’s desired level of play.
Receivers - good to have speed and potential but a successful receiver needs to actually be a real threat to catch balls to be an effective weapon.
It takes both. Right now it is “iffy” if we can say we have either.
End my Rant with: Still - Geaux Tigers!
What I would like to add is that even imperfect play by a QB can be somewhat offset by receivers who make a greater effort to actually catch the ball in their vicinity, are aware of the QB’s inconsistencies, run their routes and adjust in the middle or at the end of that route if needed without pulling up, and then actually catch the ball enough times to truly be a real weapon.
LSU has had, with the exception of Mett, a string of shaky and inconsistent QBs who don’t seem to know if they are fish or fowl with any confidence. BUT there have also been a string of talented but hot and cold receivers, who catch or don’t catch, it almost seems, as the mood strikes them. Chark is the current model. What I find frustrating with him is that even if DE hits him in the hands, he is no certainty to catch the ball (not that any receiver ever is). And I’ve watched him run his routes half heartedly too many times and not make the kind of effort I’ve seen other receivers from other teams put forth to catch the ball in their vicinity (takes hands, feet, and heads engaged - plus desire).
QB - good to manage a game but a QB needs to be more than just a manager to be a success at LSU’s desired level of play.
Receivers - good to have speed and potential but a successful receiver needs to actually be a real threat to catch balls to be an effective weapon.
It takes both. Right now it is “iffy” if we can say we have either.
End my Rant with: Still - Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 11/5/17 at 5:24 am to NoGeaux
quote:
Overall direction of the program. I have been vocal about Alleva and O and the decision was pull Etling, not the decision but the timing was idiotic. But this isn’t the night or morning to pile on O or Alleva.
I completely disagree with you. you don't see them at practice and to use the word "idiotic" is an undeserved slander to the coaches. you are fricking unfair. at the time he put in Brennen the game was over unless we got hot as hell and etling had missed every opportunity to get the big play up to that point. we HAD TO HAVE THE BIG PASS PLAY to win. why not give the better passer a shot?
sorry it didn't work out but I, for one, am glad to see coaches that at least TRY TO frickING WIN instead of the way Miles ended with running into a wall.
believe me, bama knew that this wasn't a les miles team and we are going to be a challenge once again.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 5:33 am to NoGeaux
What was the score when Etling got the hook?
Posted on 11/5/17 at 6:08 am to NoGeaux
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many in our fan base simply don’t care any more if we win or not.
Who said this?
Posted on 11/5/17 at 6:44 am to LSU GrandDad
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at the time he put in Brennen the game was over unless we got hot as hell and
After reading much of what you post I can say I’m not shocked you totally missed the point.
Yes we needed big plays in the passing game. You even acknowledge it in your post Grandad.
The point is why wait 56 minutes into the game? Are you suggesting that you didn’t realize it until then either?
I have zero issue with the staff finally realizing Etling isn’t gonna makes big plays and making a change.
But damn rather than, as you point out, waiting til the game is basically over to do it, why not do when we still had a legit shot?
Do you get the point now?
Posted on 11/5/17 at 6:51 am to JawjaTigah
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QB can be somewhat offset by receivers who make a greater effort to actually catch the ball in their vicinity, are aware of the QB’s inconsistencies
Totally agree. It’s not all on Etling. Receivers could help a ton.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:01 am to Brazos
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What was the score when Etling got the hook?
24-10.
4 mins left. It was last time we touched the ball.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:25 am to NoGeaux
Their DB's played at a higher level than ours as did their receivers.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:29 am to NoGeaux
Very nice summary. Upvote
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:32 am to NoGeaux
I agree with all of that
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:42 am to NoGeaux
This is as about as spot on as it gets.
One note I think is extremely important to make: While Etling is a pedestrian QB with all the heart in the world, the WR corp just can’t help him out. Chark needs to be called out for the game played (which you did). Yes, there wasn’t a signal deep ball thrown to him that was on target. But, ALL of them were catchable with a little more effort. It almost looked like the stage was too big. Big players step up in big games and Chark played like absolute shite.
One note I think is extremely important to make: While Etling is a pedestrian QB with all the heart in the world, the WR corp just can’t help him out. Chark needs to be called out for the game played (which you did). Yes, there wasn’t a signal deep ball thrown to him that was on target. But, ALL of them were catchable with a little more effort. It almost looked like the stage was too big. Big players step up in big games and Chark played like absolute shite.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 7:44 am to JawjaTigah
quote:Superior position coaching can fix these WR problems. LSU definitely needs to make a change there after the season. Hire an experienced WR Coach that has actually played and coached the position in College and the NFL.........
LSU has had, with the exception of Mett, a string of shaky and inconsistent QBs who don’t seem to know if they are fish or fowl with any confidence. BUT there have also been a string of talented but hot and cold receivers, who catch or don’t catch, it almost seems, as the mood strikes them. Chark is the current model. What I find frustrating with him is that even if DE hits him in the hands, he is no certainty to catch the ball (not that any receiver ever is). And I’ve watched him run his routes half heartedly too many times and not make the kind of effort I’ve seen other receivers from other teams put forth to catch the ball in their vicinity (takes hands, feet, and heads engaged - plus desire).
Posted on 11/5/17 at 8:16 am to bamacoullion
quote:
Their DB's played at a higher level than ours as did their receivers.
There is truth in that.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 8:26 am to NoGeaux
I generally agree with all of that. I think we lost the clock a few times in the 4th. I think the bama O failed to run off a couple of minutes in their drives too. But it never really felt like we were in reach, so I think the first drive in the 4th should have gone to Brennan as well.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 8:34 am to NoGeaux
quote:
Overall direction of the program. I have been vocal about Alleva and O and the decision was pull Etling, not the decision but the timing was idiotic. But this isn’t the night or morning to pile on O or Alleva. The team was ready to play, played hard. Discussions of O are better left for another time. The staff gets a ton of credit for getting us prepared and playing hard for 60 mins.
If Alleva and Coach O want the ranters on here to be quiet and just mumble the rest of the year.
We have to finish strong and take care of the rest of our schedule.
Defeat Arkansas, Tennessee, and then A&M.
Doing this will help recruiting and positive thinking for of course 2018.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 9:11 am to NoGeaux
I am still not impressed with Canada. LSU needs to throw shorter routes. The wildcat play with Guice was idiotic. It seemed the offense has no spark and no chance with playing the middle of the field. It seemed there was a the game is over mentality with trying to run and getting nowhere. O and Canada are not the answer. Brennan should not have started not sliding so early. He should have tried to get the first. The defense played well but I wish they could generate turnovers. O does not seem to inspire confidence.I think Etling has little confidence due to trying not make a mistake. This has been apparent since Troy with taking him out as he was making some good plays. I would love to see a pass oriented offense with chances to get the big play. Use the sideline routes and don't waste so much time. Everyone knew Guice was getting the wildcat with long yardage and no chance. A day game in Tiger stadium next week won't help. Etling needs to remain QB but let him throw short routes and get him to get to other receivers.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 9:35 am to NoGeaux
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The team was ready to play, played hard. Discussions of O are better left for another time.
I take exception with this one statement. This mindset is why we kept CLM year after year.
The head coach should be discussed after every game.
Please someone tell me what O is bringing to the table this season?
Posted on 11/5/17 at 10:12 am to 756
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take exception with this one statement. This mindset is why we kept CLM year after year.
I hear ya. My point is other than the Etling/Brennan deal, I don’t think you can point to the staff as being an issue last night.
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