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re: The future of no-huddle offense in college football.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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maybe, maybe not, but I think we discussed this already
No doubt.
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Everyone thinks the run and shoot went away, but it didn't it just evolved.
I agree. That's why I mentioned Pardee.
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Saban will not coach forever, crediting his titles to style is takeing away from his skill
I know Saban believes in ball control, and how big a part it plays in keeping his defense fresh and at its best. He knows it can lose the battle but win the war.
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Miles as adapted his defense to beat the spread
Now you're crossing the line. Please don't mention Miles and defense in the same sentence. You mean Chavis.
Saban played QB in high school, so I'll give him credit for at least picking his style of offense, not calling it.
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Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:06 pm to 1984Tiger
North Dakota State just won their second FCS title in a row and they're about as old school as it gets offensively. And they beat a high powered spread team in Sam Houston.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:09 pm to wahoocs
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Teams that get lesser talent at offensive line and defensive positions might find the scheme to their advantage.
like texas, florida, and auburn?
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:12 pm to wahoocs
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He wants rules in place to eliminate it. He feels like it's destroying the integrity of the game. It's a gimmick.
saban is being a big ninny baby b/c he doesn't want to adapt, basically. i love saban, but he's completely wrong here
hurry up isn't a gimmick. for a very long time coaches felt that aggression should only be used on defense and offense was a necessary evil. now coaches are learning that you can be aggressive on offense and counteract the complacency of the defensive style
the hurry up offense just allows the offense to attack a chink in the armor of your typical defense (substitutions and reacting to formations). saban doesn't like it b/c it hurts his style of defense
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:12 pm to 1984Tiger
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This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:12 pm to Dudebro2
Sweet! If we go no huddle we can do a 3 and out in under a minute...
...sorry, couldn't help myself.
...sorry, couldn't help myself.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like texas, florida, and auburn?
he and I discussed this at lenght yesterday in your Sumlin thread on the MSB
That's why I think A&M can be a real threat they can get great players on the lines.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:57 pm to 1984Tiger
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you just need well conditioned D-Linemen and fast/athletic LBs. Basically Chavis' defenses are built to counter the no huddle offense ... Saban's not so much
I was going to post this exact same thing. Chavis has built his offense for the future of football(NFL too). Which is why we contain spread offenses better than traditional ones. The only reason we had trouble down the stretch was the Bama loss took it out of the team and the inexperience started to show at every level of play.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:59 pm to Dudebro2
We did all right vs Oregon.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like texas, florida, and auburn?
Which one of those hurried the snap?
Which one had a Heisman winner running the offense?
Which one got back to the title game since that QB left?
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the hurry up offense just allows the offense to attack a chink in the armor of your typical defense
The hurry up offense leaves you without a defense before long.
All kinds of yardage and awards, no championships. Field gets smaller in the red zone and the best defenses hold.
It's too much stress on the QB position all the time, and when he goes down, so do your dreams. It can win a lot of games, but it's not winning the SEC consistently, and it won't win in the NFL either.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:34 pm to Datbayoubengal
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He wants rules in place to eliminate it. He feels like it's destroying the integrity of the game. It's a gimmick.
saban is being a big ninny baby b/c he doesn't want to adapt, basically. i love saban, but he's completely wrong here
hurry up isn't a gimmick. for a very long time coaches felt that aggression should only be used on defense and offense was a necessary evil. now coaches are learning that you can be aggressive on offense and counteract the complacency of the defensive style
the hurry up offense just allows the offense to attack a chink in the armor of your typical defense (substitutions and reacting to formations). saban doesn't like it b/c it hurts his style of defense "
No Saban did not say anything about a gimmick offense and he wasn't whining, read the quote Saban said this is where football is going to the no-huddle offense. Saban stated that in the future he feels that all football teams will run a no-huddle offense. Obviously Saban doesn't like the no-huddle because he takes away some of the value that he brings to the table, but he stated quite clearly that is where he feels football is going to no-huddle offenses. Meaning he will eventually be running a no-huddle offense himself.
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you just need well conditioned D-Linemen and fast/athletic LBs. Basically Chavis' defenses are built to counter the no huddle offense ... Saban's not so much
I was going to post this exact same thing. Chavis has built his offense for the future of football(NFL too). Which is why we contain spread offenses better than traditional ones. The only reason we had trouble down the stretch was the Bama loss took it out of the team and the inexperience started to show at every level of play."
I agree Chavis is the right guy for us as DC, my original comment was "I hoped Les Miles feels the same way as Saban and figures out going to no-huddle before other SEC coaches jump on the band wagon. I would like us to start perfecting what seems to be the future of football before others do.
He wants rules in place to eliminate it. He feels like it's destroying the integrity of the game. It's a gimmick.
saban is being a big ninny baby b/c he doesn't want to adapt, basically. i love saban, but he's completely wrong here
hurry up isn't a gimmick. for a very long time coaches felt that aggression should only be used on defense and offense was a necessary evil. now coaches are learning that you can be aggressive on offense and counteract the complacency of the defensive style
the hurry up offense just allows the offense to attack a chink in the armor of your typical defense (substitutions and reacting to formations). saban doesn't like it b/c it hurts his style of defense "
No Saban did not say anything about a gimmick offense and he wasn't whining, read the quote Saban said this is where football is going to the no-huddle offense. Saban stated that in the future he feels that all football teams will run a no-huddle offense. Obviously Saban doesn't like the no-huddle because he takes away some of the value that he brings to the table, but he stated quite clearly that is where he feels football is going to no-huddle offenses. Meaning he will eventually be running a no-huddle offense himself.
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you just need well conditioned D-Linemen and fast/athletic LBs. Basically Chavis' defenses are built to counter the no huddle offense ... Saban's not so much
I was going to post this exact same thing. Chavis has built his offense for the future of football(NFL too). Which is why we contain spread offenses better than traditional ones. The only reason we had trouble down the stretch was the Bama loss took it out of the team and the inexperience started to show at every level of play."
I agree Chavis is the right guy for us as DC, my original comment was "I hoped Les Miles feels the same way as Saban and figures out going to no-huddle before other SEC coaches jump on the band wagon. I would like us to start perfecting what seems to be the future of football before others do.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 6:54 pm to Dudebro2
Offense is about establishing pace and timing whatever the speed of the attack. It is this very thing that LSU has massively failed at for 3 years and running.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:00 pm to Dudebro2
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Saban stated that in the future he feels that all football teams will run a no-huddle offense.
I seriously don't think Saban believes this, and if he does, he's wrong. No huddle can be effective, but it can also result in a very quick 3-and-out, putting more pressure on the offense the next time it's on the field. A team with a dominant running game and defense can neutralize a no-huddle offense very quickly as proven by LSU against Oregon and aTm.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:13 pm to 1984Tiger
Yep everyone knows he doesn't like the no huddle, so he is trying to mislead people? Really? He wants more schools to adopt the no huddle so he is the only team that doesn't run it. That makes total sense.
So how did your theory of "dominant running game and defense can neutralize a no-huddle offense very quickly as proven by LSU against Oregon and aTm" work against Clemson?
Saban didn't say anything about defenses could not be built to stop the no huddle, he just said that is where he believes offenses are going because they take out a critical aspect of the defense and that is the DC's and being able to sub in fresh bodies to scheme against the offense on the field at the time.
So how did your theory of "dominant running game and defense can neutralize a no-huddle offense very quickly as proven by LSU against Oregon and aTm" work against Clemson?
Saban didn't say anything about defenses could not be built to stop the no huddle, he just said that is where he believes offenses are going because they take out a critical aspect of the defense and that is the DC's and being able to sub in fresh bodies to scheme against the offense on the field at the time.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 7:27 pm to Dudebro2
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So how did your theory of "dominant running game and defense can neutralize a no-huddle offense very quickly as proven by LSU against Oregon and aTm" work against Clemson?
Just look at who wins championships in the SEC, which is the same as the BCSNC most years.
If you think Saban is going no huddle, everyone is wasting their time here. This offense has been around a long time, and he would be using it if he really thought it gave his team the best chance to win.
It's won in the trenches with short yardage at some point during the course of a season, and definitely the closer you get to the championship.
He just doesn't want to go through a barrage of them, because it could keep him from winning it all.
Saban knows he can get Maucks, Flynns, McElroys, and McCarrons every season. He's not going to pin his hopes on recruiting Tebows and Newtons, then hoping they remain healthy.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 9:26 pm to wahoocs
A good coach will have it in place to run if necessary. It can always be ran in a conference were you plan on giving up 38 on defense and will score 41. But in the SEC, you will be playing OOC opponents, so you may need it. But, the mark of a great coach is to be able to get down and dirty in the trenches, pound the ball against 8-9 in the box and still move the chains. It's called an Offensive Coordinator Les!
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