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The difference between JL and JJ.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:30 am
Can be best described in one play...
Early in the third quarter, LSU's second possession, JJ came in the game and drove LSU down the field inside the 5 yard line. Faced with a 3rd and goal, a fade to RR was called to the left side of the end zone as there was single coverage.
JJ takes the snap, but doesn't throw the ball. He watches RR, then throws the ball away.
That play is a timing and spot play. The ball has to be thrown to a spot with good timing, which means the ball is thrown before the player is open...the term "throwing the player open" comes to mind. It success of the play is dependent on the defender having his back turned to the QB.
JJ typically waits until the WR is wide open before he throws, except on deep balls which he throws well, where as J. Lee can and will throw the receiver open.
J. Lee threw a TD in the 2010 game against Florida to win the game on the very same play call.
Not a knock, but it is the reason J. Lee makes more mistakes, but also makes big plays, while it is the reason JJ is less effective as a passer, but makes less mistakes.
Early in the third quarter, LSU's second possession, JJ came in the game and drove LSU down the field inside the 5 yard line. Faced with a 3rd and goal, a fade to RR was called to the left side of the end zone as there was single coverage.
JJ takes the snap, but doesn't throw the ball. He watches RR, then throws the ball away.
That play is a timing and spot play. The ball has to be thrown to a spot with good timing, which means the ball is thrown before the player is open...the term "throwing the player open" comes to mind. It success of the play is dependent on the defender having his back turned to the QB.
JJ typically waits until the WR is wide open before he throws, except on deep balls which he throws well, where as J. Lee can and will throw the receiver open.
J. Lee threw a TD in the 2010 game against Florida to win the game on the very same play call.
Not a knock, but it is the reason J. Lee makes more mistakes, but also makes big plays, while it is the reason JJ is less effective as a passer, but makes less mistakes.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:32 am to inebr8ted tiger
quote:
The difference between JL and JJ.
I find almost nothing with which to disagree in your analysis. Good job.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:32 am to inebr8ted tiger
yeah but look at all those running yards we get from Jefferson.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:32 am to inebr8ted tiger
JJ 's throwing motion still looks like a slow motion windmill. I keep waiting for Don Quixote to ride by with a lance.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:33 am to inebr8ted tiger
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:35 am to The312
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I keep waiting for Don Quixote to ride by with a lance.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:35 am to inebr8ted tiger
it's pretty simple and you can watch all the film you want on JJ...he throws after the WR makes his break MOST of the time. A lot of times the ball is out of JL's hands before the WR makes his break.
Also, on the play you are referring to, I believe it was a one route play and they may have had Randle slightly double covered. Maybe that was the best thing for JJ to do was throw it away instead of trying to stick it in there. Again, that may be a different play im referring to.
Also, on the play you are referring to, I believe it was a one route play and they may have had Randle slightly double covered. Maybe that was the best thing for JJ to do was throw it away instead of trying to stick it in there. Again, that may be a different play im referring to.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:35 am to The312
quote:
I keep waiting for Don Quixote to ride by with a lance.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:35 am to inebr8ted tiger
If you compare the last two seasons you may change your mind on the one who makes the mistakes and the one who takes care of the ball.....just saying
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:35 am to inebr8ted tiger
That wasnt a fade. Randle appeared to run an out, never looked for the ball before that. Still agree there appeared to be a slight opportunity to complete it and he didn't take it. Hard to tell from the angle I saw though.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 11:40 am
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:36 am to inebr8ted tiger
The fade wasn't there (i don't think). I'll watch the replay but I believe they had man to man under coverage there. So a back shoulder throw probably wouldn't have worked. I'd rather JJ throw it away than woefully under throw is and get it picked. I liked some things i saw out of JJ last week. I love his arm strength and mobility. Both QB's are valuable to us. That's not debatable imo.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:37 am to inebr8ted tiger
Double covered on a timing throw. Late, but probably for the best.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:38 am to Ace Midnight
quote:same here, save for this part:
I find almost nothing with which to disagree in your analysis. Good job.
quote:I have never seen JJ throw a good deep ball. everyone tries to point to the long pass against UNC, but that was underthrown and lacking touch as well.
JJ typically waits until the WR is wide open before he throws, except on deep balls which he throws well
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:38 am to inebr8ted tiger
I was sitting right there. RR blanketed. It was a smart decision to throw it away.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:39 am to inebr8ted tiger
Maybee it was a shitty play call
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:39 am to The312
quote:
Can be best described in one play...
Early in the third quarter, LSU's second possession, JJ came in the game and drove LSU down the field inside the 5 yard line. Faced with a 3rd and goal, a fade to RR was called to the left side of the end zone as there was single coverage.
JJ takes the snap, but doesn't throw the ball. He watches RR, then throws the ball away.
That play is a timing and spot play. The ball has to be thrown to a spot with good timing, which means the ball is thrown before the player is open...the term "throwing the player open" comes to mind. It success of the play is dependent on the defender having his back turned to the QB.
JJ typically waits until the WR is wide open before he throws, except on deep balls which he throws well, where as J. Lee can and will throw the receiver open.
J. Lee threw a TD in the 2010 game against Florida to win the game on the very same play call.
Not a knock, but it is the reason J. Lee makes more mistakes, but also makes big plays, while it is the reason JJ is less effective as a passer, but makes less mistakes.
This is not entirely true. If you have the game recorded go watch it again. This was a one receiver set. I thought that was really strange. RR was covered and JJ saw this immediately and had nowhere else to go. You are right when you say you have to throw quicker but he if he did, the defender has a chance to run "under" the route and take it back the other way. JJ just threw the ball away.
I understand what you're getting at but this isn't the play to refer to.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:39 am to inebr8ted tiger
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Not a knock, but it is the reason J. Lee makes more mistakes,
what big mistakes are you referring to? the one interception this year
or talking about 3 years ago when he was a FRESHMAN starting in the sec
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:41 am to Geauxld Finger
That was just a poor play call for JJ. No way he has any success in that situation. Let him roll out, and either run it in or find a receiver late, like the two point conversion against Alabama last year.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:42 am to sicboy
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Maybee it was a shitty play call
It was a bad/strange call.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:43 am to slapahoe
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Also, on the play you are referring to, I believe it was a one route play and they may have had Randle slightly double covered. Maybe that was the best thing for JJ to do was throw it away instead of trying to stick it in there. Again, that may be a different play im referring to.
You got the right play and your analysis is right...not the original poster.
It was a single man route and Florida had double coverage on Randal. Throwing the ball out of bounds was the proper decision.
Both QB's had over 70 percent completion percentage and both averaged 15 yards per attempt, and a TD. Both played well.
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