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re: The bottom line in why I am angry
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
This! 
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's not about getting high, it's the risk they took using horrible judgement. Anger isn't how I feel, total bewilderment is more like it.
many type A personalities are indeed risk takers. they smoked a little weed (say some)and got caught. in 2011 that ain't exactly a surprise. if players got thrown off teams for that, there probably wouldn't be any schools around could field a team.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:16 pm to Adam Banks
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I honestly didnt think there was an agenda till his post trying to refute that he had an agenda seemed to show he had an agenda
prey, do tell more.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:17 pm to cdupuy
I bet your kids salute you before bedtime..
Seriously man, all deserve a second chance to prove themselves. It's not like these Tiger-cubs had committed the 6th and 8th of the Ten Commandments.
Seriously man, all deserve a second chance to prove themselves. It's not like these Tiger-cubs had committed the 6th and 8th of the Ten Commandments.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:18 pm to CptBengal
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WTF does this allow someone to break the rules set forth in the contract?
I'm not saying that they have the right to break the rules....they absolutely don't. But, they aren't looked at in the same light. This situation is as big as it is simply because of the spotlight that is on the football team and in particular, the stand out players involved. They should have known better is all it comes down to. They have to pay for their mistakes, no one else. People that say they shouldn't be suspended just don't want to accept that the players should be held responsible for their own actions. I think you and I are somewhat on the same page, just a few lines off lol.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:18 pm to jacks40
Ok. Had to come back to answer this one. I was referring to drug related offenses. I absolutely kicked them out on first offense if they were caught. I am an Aviation Officer and there is a zero tolerance policy for Solfiers with Aviation related duties. Can't be all toked up fixing aircraft that are carrying our nation's sons and daughters.
You guys are right. I don't know the inner workings of the football team and you specifically "jacks40" don't know the inner workings of the military.
You guys are right. I don't know the inner workings of the football team and you specifically "jacks40" don't know the inner workings of the military.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:19 pm to jimithing11
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Posted by jimithing11 quote: U expect me to believe that EVERY TIME a soldier made 1 single mistake no matter what it was u kicked them out the military? I call bs Fail... It was a second failed test. Meaning he made TWO mistakes. There is no such thing as two mulligans
Only a fail if u actually answered my question.
Considering u aren't the op I doubt u can answer my question about what the OP did during his military timr
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:19 pm to cdupuy
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After reading all of the back and forth crap about the situation, I had to get this off my chest.
Stopped reading here. What makes you think your thought is worthy of yet another thread about the same topic? Why couldn't you post it in one of the other thousands of threads?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:21 pm to TIGRLEE
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serioulsy though, why the question?
What the point
In all seriousness, I don't think there is one or two players that stand out to me. I think the majority of our players are stand up citizens, and in fact are more mature and reasonable than some of our fellow rantards. That was the point. I don't think that our fanbase as a whole is sacrificing their basic morals/principle in supporting this team. But lately, with all the idiots coming out of the woodwork - like the OP - you may get that impression.
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:21 pm to cdupuy
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You guys are right. I don't know the inner workings of the football team and you specifically "jacks40" don't know the inner workings of the military.
Did I claim to be? Does every branch/unit have a zero tolerance policy?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:22 pm to geauxaddai
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prey, do tell more.
He was being accused of favoring Lee based on race and then he tried to refute that by saying that it could be said of many people from the university such as david toms pete maravich and general chenault
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:22 pm to cdupuy
I actually read your post, and while I agree that they should be held to a higher standard (pun unintended), I think kicking them off the team is a wild overreaction.
However, I do think they are all dumb as hell for even putting themselves in that situation DURING the season. It wouldn't bother me if it was the offseason, but I do not think it's too much to ask for them to simply obey the rules from August-early January. If you want to hold them to the same standard as all college students, then give all college students free education, living arrangements, food, and all the other benefits and opportunities that come with being an LSU football player.
I think a one game suspension is fine, but that all depends on how Miles feels the guilty players are reacting to the punishment. He knows them better than we do, and the embarrassment that those guys are carrying around now in addition to the one game suspension should suffice.
However, I do think they are all dumb as hell for even putting themselves in that situation DURING the season. It wouldn't bother me if it was the offseason, but I do not think it's too much to ask for them to simply obey the rules from August-early January. If you want to hold them to the same standard as all college students, then give all college students free education, living arrangements, food, and all the other benefits and opportunities that come with being an LSU football player.
I think a one game suspension is fine, but that all depends on how Miles feels the guilty players are reacting to the punishment. He knows them better than we do, and the embarrassment that those guys are carrying around now in addition to the one game suspension should suffice.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:23 pm to cdupuy
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am an Aviation Officer and there is a zero tolerance policy for Solfiers with Aviation related duties. Can't be all toked up fixing aircraft that are carrying our nation's sons and daughters.
they probably don't let the players fly the plane to the games. you have proved my point about zero tolerence.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:23 pm to cdupuy
quote:Your zero tolerance policy is not consistent to all branches and likely not consistent within any one branch. I can understand that policy in an aviation unit. As a former officer I witnessed many who were caught and were not kicked out. They were punished, but not kicked out. Many of them were productive members of their team and continued to be so after being caught, depending upon their specialty and level of security clearance. It's not so black and white across the board.
I absolutely kicked them out on first offense if they were caught.
This is no life and death situation.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If this was the issue, I would agree. There is no anger, but I don't understand why in the hell someone would risk what these guys did for themselves and their teammates to get high during this season when they knew what the repercussions would be.
It's not about getting high, it's the risk they took using horrible judgement. Anger isn't how I feel, total bewilderment is more like it.
Roger I couldn't agree more. You know you're in the spot light and you pull this.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:24 pm to Adam Banks
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He was being accused of favoring Lee based on race and then he tried to refute that by saying that it could be said of many people from the university such as david toms pete maravich and general chenault
gotcha. Just wondered for a sec if you agreed with that blowhard TIGRLEE and why?
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:25 pm to LSU GrandDad
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I didn't read
Not surprised.
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Btw, get over it.
Get over what if you "didn't read it?"
To the comments about "ruining a kids life" by suspending them or kicking them off of the team, etc:
Who made the decision to break the rules, the coach, the university, the police? No. The players make those decisions. They are young, but they are adults who are every bit as capable of discerning between right and wrong, within the rules and outside of the rules, ect. To say that anyone who enforces rules is somehow responsible for the conseqeunces of the rule breaker is completely juvenile and ignorant.
That being said, if this is a first/second offense, then kicking them off the team would be pretty harsh of a punishment depending on what poilicies might be in place.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:26 pm to cdupuy
I learned a long time ago, I could not control what people think or do. People make mistakes ( sin). People are forgiven and learn life lessons. This is a sinful world. We can only pray that good will come out of this.......
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:27 pm to TheDoc
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Winning > moral compass
Posted on 10/20/11 at 12:28 pm to cdupuy
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I say kick them the frick off the team and let them figure out if they can go on to learn their lesson.
reality, get in touch with it
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Lastly, I am a military officer and I have seen many good Soldiers screw up. As a commander I had to make the hard choice to kick some kids out who had enormous potential, but I made the hard right every time. I
playing football does not equal military life.
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