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re: The backjudge is the culprit
Posted on 10/10/11 at 2:54 pm to 62zip
Posted on 10/10/11 at 2:54 pm to 62zip
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Do you even remember the Locker play?
he threw the ball up 30 feet in the air.
Punter Wing did a little shimmy with his arms out.
but he did look back some.
so it goes.
THIS IS THE WAY TO PLAY:
run into the end zone and give the ball to the official.
wait until you are on the sidelines to celebrate.
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Posted on 10/10/11 at 2:58 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm going to assume you're an official.
Nope. Never have been and never will be.
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Do you think what Wing did was what was meant to be flagged when the rule was written?
Yes, The rule was written to stop players from show boating on their way to the endzone. Examples of this included, showing the ball in a taunting manner, high stepping, and doing somersaults into the endzone. Wing clearly opened his arms up to the defense in a taunting manner.
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Was what Wing did the intent of the rule?
Yes, the SEC has made a statement that the call was indeed correct. He opened his arms in a taunting manner.
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From here on out, Do you think this play will be shown to officials as how TO make this call, or how NOT TO make this call?
I can't speculate on that. The outrage really isn't as much for that being called taunting as much it is for the penalty being allowed to take points off the board.
The ref threw the flag so he apparently felt what Wing did was severe enough to warrant a flag. Miles agrees with him. Wing admits he was to excited and taunted. They both are excpeting of the consequences and now LSU and hopefully the rest of CFB can learn from this penalty that had no outcome on the game, before it is done in a game that does have an impact.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:00 pm to wahoocs
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What TD? Wing's breaking of the rule occured on the 8 yard line, right? It has to be a TD, now. Where does it say that?
Florida didn't score a TD?
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Where was the flag when Florida #51 did his throat slash after the non-horse collar tackle? Who was he directing his gesture at?
I didn't see him do it, but I'm happy to take your word that it did. If so, apparently it got missed. That happens.
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The call on Wing is a slippery slope. One that the official had to know would set precedent.
Believe it or not, you aren't thinking about setting any sort of precedent when you see a foul and react to it.
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Is that really the play you want to set precedent on, when even the other guys on your crew don't throw a flag.
Silly argument. Before flagging it he should have polled the rest of the crew? You do realize that different people on the field have different angles, right?
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Or when a different crew at a different game does not flag a TD scored where the runner does everything but run backwards before placing the ball on the ground just beyond the goalline at a dead stop?
There will never bee 100% consistency from offifical to official or from crew to crew - and that applies to most calls. Unfortunate, but that's the reality. I'm going to go out on a limb though and suppose the play you used as an example would draw a flag from just about everyone.
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You fall somewhere between a female judge and God. You must be a lawyer by trade, and an official on the side. You show up in every thread that deals with officiating. Certainly, even you can see the call leaves itself open for debate, and would not be an example the head of officials would want to use as precedent setting.
Nope, not a lawyer. Sorry to disappoint.
Many judgment calls leave themselves open to debate.
For some reason people always tend to get their panties in a bunch when I comment in a thread. Why is that? I suppose y'all could just go ahead with the official bashing circle jerk and everyone would be content. God forbid someone who actually knows something about how to call a football have anything to say on any of these matters.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:01 pm to 62zip
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What did he tell him? And what did Baker do to prompt the discussion?
baker and a florida player were talking shite back and forth. Backjudge runs up and gets under bakers facemask for about 5 yards. He should never do that
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:01 pm to ottothewise
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he threw the ball up 30 feet in the air.
Correct, yet there will be those who will argue that he didn't "throw the ball high in the air."
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:02 pm to wahoocs
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The call on Wing is a slippery slope. One that the official had to know would set precedent. Is that really the play you want to set precedent on, when even the other guys on your crew don't throw a flag.
First off, the other guys probably didn't throw a flag because thier eyes were on Wing's feet down the side line. Both the ref behind him and the one at the pylon are making sure he doesn't step out so they would have probably not seen it.
The official that threw it was near the hash marks on the field staring right at Wing.
Second, an official isn't going to think about all the "precedents" he might be setting with a call. When an official sees a penalty he calls it regardless on what else is happening and that is how it should be.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:02 pm to TigerBait1127
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baker and a florida player were talking shite back and forth. Backjudge runs up and gets under bakers facemask for about 5 yards. He should never do that
Why shouldn't he?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:03 pm to 62zip
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I can tell you though, that the day I give two shits about the opinion of some internet fanboy is the day I retire
Did I just get made fun of by a high school ref? goddammit.
But even that statement sheds light on your perspective. Reality check. People don't "retire" from high school officiating. That is like "retiring" from your Sunday night bowling league. You are not nearly as important as you pretend to be.
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And unlike an internet fanboy, potificating via his keyboard, I actually put my arse on the line every Friday.
Holy shite. No, you don't put your arse on the line. The players put there arse on the line. You are a facilitator to a game of 14 to 17 year olds...nothing more.
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I'm glad to see you brought up the flag that Locker drew. His action was specifically prohibited by the rule book, verbatim and he cost his team a game through his selfishness. It was a shame.
Holy shite # 2. I should have known you would support that flag. It says everything about your posirion on this.
Lets see on one hand we have a kid who worked his arse off for his team...and played his arse off and carried his lowly team against a ranked opponent (accounted for 270 of their 330 yards) and capped it off with a TD in the final seconds to theoretically put the ahead.
On the other hand we have an official who decided he wanted to become part of the game.
Hmmm. And you agree with the official...to the point that you call the player selfish. Wow. And people wonder why officials don't get it. Zip is a case study on poor officiating.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:08 pm to 62zip
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Why shouldn't he?
why shouldn't he physically confront a player?
because it isn't his job
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:11 pm to moneyg
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Did I just get made fun of by a high school ref? goddammit.
But even that statement sheds light on your perspective. Reality check. People don't "retire" from high school officiating. That is like "retiring" from your Sunday night bowling league. You are not nearly as important as you pretend to be.
Made fun of you? Where?
And of course one can retire. We could always use words like quit or hang it up or whatever other phrase you might like, but following 2025 years on the field "retire" is entirely appropriate.
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Holy shite. No, you don't put your arse on the line. The players put there arse on the line. You are a facilitator to a game of 14 to 17 year olds...nothing more.
Yep, every week. I wouldn't expect you to understand though. I'm willing to bet you lack the balls it would take to engage in such an undertaking. It's easier to just bitch from a keyboard.
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Holy shite # 2. I should have known you would support that flag. It says everything about your posirion on this.
Lets see on one hand we have a kid who worked his arse off for his team...and played his arse off and carried his lowly team against a ranked opponent (accounted for 270 of their 330 yards) and capped it off with a TD in the final seconds to theoretically put the ahead.
On the other hand we have an official who decided he wanted to become part of the game.
Hmmm. And you agree with the official.
Obviously, you know dick about the rules. Locker fricked up and cost his team by engaging in an action that the rulesmakers thought enough of to specifically prohibit that exact action.
The official who flagged him did not choose to make himself "a part of the game" Locker made that decision for him. He did his job, as laid out in the rulebook.
You can sell that bullshite somewhere else.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:12 pm to wahoocs
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You fall somewhere between a female judge and God
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:13 pm to TigerBait1127
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why shouldn't he physically confront a player?
because it isn't his job
So, players are in each other's faces and he gets in between them and tells them to knock it off and that's not his job?
Watch much football?
Maybe he should have just flagged Baker instead - and then we could read here about how chickenshit that was.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:14 pm to 62zip
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So, players are in each other's faces and he gets in between them and tells them to knock it off and that's not his job?
he didn't get in between them. They had already separated and baker was walking back to the huddle when the midget decided to play the tough guy.
If baker did that to the official, he would have been ejected.
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Maybe he should have just flagged Baker instead - and then we could read here about how chickenshit that was.
would have been more appropriate than what he did
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:16 pm to 62zip
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through his selfishness
So you think that heat of the moment reaction to then a 20-21 year old kid's exuberance that he just scored the tying touchdown is selfishness?? Now I completely understand the way a referee thinks. Just like a politician.
And by the way, where was the excessive celebration on BYU after they blocked this kick? There were :02 on the clock and the entire team was on the field.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:18 pm to TigerBait1127
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he didn't get in between them. They had already separated and baker was walking back to the huddle when the midget decided to play the tough guy.
Got it, talking to a player about his behavior is playing the tough guy. Good to know.
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If baker did that to the official, he would have been ejected.
Didn't see it, so I really woudn't know, one way or the other.
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would have been more appropriate than what he did
Did you think Baker did something flag worthy?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:21 pm to lsuhunt555
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So you think that heat of the moment reaction to then a 20-21 year old kid's exuberance that he just scored the tying touchdown is selfishness?? Now I completely understand the way a referee thinks. Just like a politician.
Sure, if a guy throwing a flag is thinking about some "precedent" that he is setting, then surely Locker could have been a bit selfish. Of course with him, in that situation, perhaps that's a bad example, unlike the kid from Ole Miss in TS last year - that was pure selfish there that cost his team. But, the bottom line though is that Locker commited an unsportsmanlike act, and it cost his team.
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And by the way, where was the excessive celebration on BYU after they blocked this kick? There were :02 on the clock and the entire team was on the field.
Couldn't tell you one way or the other - all I saw was highlights of the play about 300 times.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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the midget decided to play the tough guy
Why are you bringing Sabin into this?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:21 pm to moneyg
Once again, you save me the time and effort.
Could not have said it better myself, even if given an infinite amount of time.
Could not have said it better myself, even if given an infinite amount of time.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 3:23 pm to 62zip
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Obviously, you know dick about the rules. Locker fricked up and cost his team by engaging in an action that the rulesmakers thought enough of to specifically prohibit that exact action.
bullshite. In the LSU game three officials could have thrown a flag bit only one did. Why is that. Two had good judgement.
On the Locker play every official on the field was watching..yet only one flag. Why is that? Good judgement on the others' part.
Randle spiked the ball after a TD against Oregon. Why no flag? Judgement. To pretend like officials call every single flag the second they see the letter of the rule violated is a flat out lie.
The ref showed horrible judgement. The ref in the Locker game should have been shot.
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