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re: Terrence Toliver Tweet:" I regret not declaring for the draft my junior year"

Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17190 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:59 pm to
why don't you put the positive things that he said also?

he also mentions he loves his school and loves the fans.

you frickers are only putting up negative shite. should be banned.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
16319 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 4:04 pm to
I love Shep as a good person and as a Tiger but he was the 3rd or 4th best receiver on our team. Not tall, not blazing fast, questionable hands, it's a joke that he's considering "declaring". I'm sorry.
Posted by El Sid
College Station, TX
Member since Jan 2012
232 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 8:56 pm to
Amen.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17500 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

Well, this situation is a little different. But obviously, this shows Shep has no faith in the QB play next year.



Or it validates the multiple whacked threads and stuff I've heard all over town regarding an eroding relationship and philosophical differences expressed Monday night.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17026 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

Terrence Toliver @TToliver80 I regret not declaring for the draft my junior year thinking that I could have a better year but no that didn't happen



Retweeted by Russell Shepard


The situations between the two aren't even remotely similar. Shepard really has little to no draft stock right now. But it's his choice. He can do whatever he wants and I'll wish him the best. But I can't see how this could be perceived as wise for him.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132730 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

I would love to know the real reason that Miles was so devoted to that embodiment of mediocrity.


This is the $64,000 question b/c everyone knows CLM let more talented QBs ride the pine, right?

I would love to get into Les's head and get a true understanding of this situation but unfortunately there is likely nothing to it except that JJ was older. Seniority trumps talent at the QB position under CLM.
This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 10:24 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:24 pm to
quote:


. But obviously, this shows Shep has no faith in the QB play next year.




May just show immaturity or lack of understanding about his draft status.


Maybe he is just miserable at LSU and doesn't like Miles. If he shows up well at the combine/pro day he will have a shot at a roster regardless of whether he comes back or not.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59311 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:25 pm to
quote:

The only difference between RS's situation and TT's situation is that RS will have a better pocket passer throwing him the ball if he stays his senior year.

TT had to go through a senior season with the same QBs.



Exactly. Russell Shepard using Toliver's statement as support for him leaving is idiotic. Toliver was regretting leaving while his stock was low...presumable due to the QB play holding him back.

Shepard leaving now would be choosing to leave while his stock is low...due to the same exact QB play that held back Toliver. He would be intentionally be making the same mistake Toliver did.
This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted by AWoww
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
257 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:29 pm to
It'd be best for him to leave next year. We have two pocket passing QBs next year. Him leaving now, whether having a shot at a roster could be the difference between a successful year and National Championship.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85606 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:30 pm to
The similarity of the 2 is that they both shared the utter disdain that the HC they trusted when they signed developed player pets, especially at QB, and started them over more deserving players to the detriment of the team.
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
20255 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:34 pm to
Dear RS, come back and come to your senses man... you won't carry the water in the NFL right now.
Posted by Tiger Khan
Member since Oct 2009
2469 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

Toliver was regretting leaving while his stock was low...presumable due to the QB play holding him back.


I think this is absurd (on Toliver's part). The NFL is a performance based position. He produces numbers, he makes more money. It's that simple.

RS on the other hand just doesn't appear to be ready for the next level.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59311 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

The similarity of the 2 is that they both shared the utter disdain that the HC they trusted when they signed developed player pets, especially at QB, and started them over more deserving players to the detriment of the team.



That would explain Shepard transferring to another school...not choosing to screw himself and entering the draft while his stock is low.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85606 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

That would explain Shepard transferring to another school...not choosing to screw himself and entering the draft while his stock is low.

I'm not sure how much his stock would improve with a transfer. He'd have to sit out a year, learn an entirely new system, and have 1 year to perform.

I'm thinking that he believes he has the raw skills to play pro ball in a Harvin type position. By declaring, he can concentrate 24/7 on honing those skills, training with a professional trainer, and attending combines. If he can impress 1 team to gamble a late round draft pic, or even sign him as a free agent, he can get into camp and work with pro coaches while getting paid, hopefully developing over time.

JMO
Posted by MC123
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2038 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:56 pm to
i wonder if les denied him a transfer?
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

he was the 3rd or 4th best receiver on our team. Not tall, not blazing fast, questionable hands, it's a joke that he's considering "declaring". I'm sorry.



If he is that bad, why all second guessing about him leaving? It would be a positive. Another scholarship is available.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:58 pm to
quote:


That would explain Shepard transferring to another school...not choosing to screw himself and entering the draft while his stock is low.


His ability to make an NFL team probably isn't going to increase any more by transferring. He either has the skills or not at this point and will show at the combine


Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17190 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 10:59 pm to
Why is this shite still active and my thread was anchored.

Admins are anti-tigers
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59311 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

His ability to make an NFL team probably isn't going to increase any more by transferring. He either has the skills or not at this point and will show at the combine



Then Toliver's tweet would be a moot point...not support for leaving early.

Toliver's tweet either doesn't apply to Shepard, or should be used as a reason to stay.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
75977 posts
Posted on 1/12/12 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

His ability to make an NFL team probably isn't going to increase any more by transferring. He either has the skills or not at this point and will show at the combine

If he showed some potential/production at WR in college it would help. Can anybody think of a definitive receiving highlight from his career?
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