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Taking a Safety against MSU?
Posted on 9/28/09 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/28/09 at 1:41 pm
Sorry of this has been discussed - I did a quick search.
We took a safety at the very end, which was the obvious call. But I thought we should have taken one earlier...at the 4:00 minute mark when we were on the 10. We were up 6 and giving up 2 points still meant MSU needed a TD to win. But if you take a safety, you don't risk getting the punt blocked (or fumbling the snap) and more importantly, MSU probably gets the ball at the 30 instead of midfield. They would have needed a 70 yard TD drive instead of a short 50.
The only downside I see is that if MSU did score a TD, LSU would need a FG just to tie, instead of win. I don't think punting was a bad call, but I do think that taking a saftery may have been the better call. Thoughts?
We took a safety at the very end, which was the obvious call. But I thought we should have taken one earlier...at the 4:00 minute mark when we were on the 10. We were up 6 and giving up 2 points still meant MSU needed a TD to win. But if you take a safety, you don't risk getting the punt blocked (or fumbling the snap) and more importantly, MSU probably gets the ball at the 30 instead of midfield. They would have needed a 70 yard TD drive instead of a short 50.
The only downside I see is that if MSU did score a TD, LSU would need a FG just to tie, instead of win. I don't think punting was a bad call, but I do think that taking a saftery may have been the better call. Thoughts?
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Posted on 9/28/09 at 1:42 pm to lsumatt
more field position than worrying about the kick being blocked
Posted on 9/28/09 at 1:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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more field position than worrying about the kick being blocked
I agree, but both are advantages for taking the safety at the 4:00 mark and we just punted. Big difference between MSU getting the ball at the 30 and the 50.
But with LSU's punting problems, a blocked, fumbled, or botched punt were also possible.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:04 pm to lsumatt
Little bit too much time (4 min)on the clock to take a safety. But I would argue the better odds would have been to give Miss State the TD on first and goal from the 2. LSU would have been at worse 1 point down with 1:20 seconds left and two time outs starting somewhere between the 20 and 35 yd line.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:08 pm to Dry Hands Man
I was thinking that was what they should have done. I'm glad I was wrong. I'll take my crow mid well please.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:11 pm to Dry Hands Man
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But I would argue the better odds would have been to give Miss State the TD on first and goal from the 2.
Part of me wanted MSU to score immediatelt, but I just don't believe in letting a team score... for the very reason we saw.
But back to the safety. That was a lot of time, but it wasn't enough for MSU to score twice. And they needed a TD either way.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:12 pm to lsumatt
IMO,
This is one of those situations where either time was appropriate.
This is one of those situations where either time was appropriate.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:14 pm to lsumatt
Speaking of safeties, how about helton just kicking the bee-geezus out of the ball through the back of the end-zone on the bad snap instead of giving them the ball at the one.
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:14 pm to lsumatt
I called for the safety at the 4:00 minute mark. However, I'm glad it played out the way it did.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:16 pm to lsumatt
With 4 minutes left MSU is not setting up a block, they are setting up a return and hoping for a short field with plenty of time for a TD.
With less than a minute left, MSU is putting on the block, which means a rushed kick, which could lead to a really short field. Plus, we were deeper in our own territory at that point.
Good call by Miles.
With less than a minute left, MSU is putting on the block, which means a rushed kick, which could lead to a really short field. Plus, we were deeper in our own territory at that point.
Good call by Miles.
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:16 pm to ShyTiger
I don't ever agree with letting a team score
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:17 pm to lsumatt
quote:Did you watch Washington beat USC. I thought USC should have allowed Washington to score too. Instead they relied on Washington missing a chip shot FG.
Part of me wanted MSU to score immediatelt, but I just don't believe in letting a team score... for the very reason we saw.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:17 pm to RANDY44
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Speaking of safeties, how about helton just kicking the bee-geezus out of the ball on the bad
I think that is a tough call that early in the game. You could stop them and they get nothing or a just 3 points, but if you take a safety they get 2 automatic, with a chance at 9.
I bet you are right though, odds might suggest that taking the safety is the smart move.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't ever agree with letting a team score
So you disagreed with LSU taken the safety?
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:20 pm to Dry Hands Man
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So you disagreed with LSU taken the safety?
not what i meant and you know it.
we didnt let them score, we intentionally ran out of the back of the endzone for field position purposes.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:20 pm to alajones
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With 4 minutes left MSU is not setting up a block, they are setting up a return and hoping for a short field with plenty of time for a TD.
Right. And they got their short field and drove down to the 1 inch line. If we take a safety, they get the ball at the 30 and have a long field to score a TD.
It all worked out and it wasn't a "bad call" to not take the safety, but I think it may have been a good idea to force MSU to a 70 yard TD. And again, what was the real downside to taking a safety at 4:00?
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:22 pm to lsumatt
Why didn't we go for 2 when we scored our first offencive TD? We had 6 they had 7????
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:24 pm to lsumatt
Someone already said it. If they go ahead, it is 33-30 and a FG ties it, as oppossed to winning it if it is 31-30. Twenty yards doesn't = 2 points with 4 minutes left in the game and no punt block on. It does with less than a minute though and a punt rush on.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:24 pm to Team Fish
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Why didn't we go for 2 when we scored our first offencive TD? We had 6 they had 7????
Wait, are you serious? Because we may have missed the 2 point conversion.
When we were up by 8 later, we had another opportunity to go for 2. Do you think we should have gone for 2 then to make it 10 instead of 9?
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:24 pm to lsumatt
I agree with you and called for it when we eventually punted.
I see the possible downside of needing the FG for a tie, instead of a win, but I would have taken the safety, too.
I also was hoping we would have let them walk in from the 1 on 2nd down to reserve some time to come back, and we see how that turned out.
But, overall, our clock management has been about as reliable as our special teams coaching. We should consider donating our ST coach's salary to ACORN, it would be more productive there.
Punter recovers botched snap at the 1, and had already mishandled a prior snap on an extra point. You would think a mishandled snap might be fresh on his mind punting in front of his own goal line. He was lost.
We short kick on a sloppy field, when field position is at a premium.
We attempt a punt block with 3 minutes left in the half in a situation where we should go into halftime with the lead. We NEVER go for the block at any other time.
We field punts inside the 10.
In short, our six million dollars for this staff is not well spent, IMO. We could do worse, but for a lot less.
I see the possible downside of needing the FG for a tie, instead of a win, but I would have taken the safety, too.
I also was hoping we would have let them walk in from the 1 on 2nd down to reserve some time to come back, and we see how that turned out.
But, overall, our clock management has been about as reliable as our special teams coaching. We should consider donating our ST coach's salary to ACORN, it would be more productive there.
Punter recovers botched snap at the 1, and had already mishandled a prior snap on an extra point. You would think a mishandled snap might be fresh on his mind punting in front of his own goal line. He was lost.
We short kick on a sloppy field, when field position is at a premium.
We attempt a punt block with 3 minutes left in the half in a situation where we should go into halftime with the lead. We NEVER go for the block at any other time.
We field punts inside the 10.
In short, our six million dollars for this staff is not well spent, IMO. We could do worse, but for a lot less.
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