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re: T Bob says it’s scheme not players

Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:35 pm to
Sure but the staff isn’t doing anything to alleviate those personelle issues. If anything they’re making them worse.

If you have 3 people running routes the defense can put 5 in coverage and still bring 6 people, which means they can blitz which means hey can overload a side of the ball.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71717 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:43 pm to
Yup, got to spread it out and give several quick options. I’ve always wanted to see a 5 receiver set. I hate that max protect with slower developing routes and a lack of separation. I’m also not a fan of too much play action. I imagine there are ways to mask a bad offensive line a bit better.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:46 pm to
That's what a player always says. He thought he was better than he was...hence no play on Sunday

If any normal human being watches the line on Saturday, they saw a line that had no push and was handled on pass rush.
Posted by Ghostrider75
In the 05
Member since Apr 2017
675 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:48 pm to
a lot of you bitches cant stand T-Bob and think he is garbage..but then when he says stuff like he did, y'all get on your knees for the man..

make up your fuking mind you fence sitters
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70762 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:49 pm to
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a lot of you bitches cant stand T-Bob and think he is garbage..but then when he says stuff like he did, y'all get on your knees for the man..

make up your fuking mind you fence sitters



Maybe its possible to not like the guy but agree on something he says?

This isn't rocket science
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:52 pm to
What do you expect. The coaches are Miles hold over...
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5332 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:53 pm to
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Maybe its possible to not like the guy but agree on something he says?


What everybody is asking for is what we did against Miami. LSU didn't try to spead it out and run the ball at all against SLU for some reason. Also didn't try to short quick game we attacked Miami with. Not sure of the reason but expect to see it again this week against Auburn.
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:55 pm to
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If you watch the game and see the left defensive end run by our right tackle repeatedly. Then run through out right tackle and a running back sent to help. I challenge you to explain that has anything to do with scheme.

You guys want spread and throw it around. You have to have an offensive line that can block. We have not had one for several years. This is not new.


Either run it right at him or dump it over his head to a tight end or running back... maybe a screen pass?
Posted by OKTGR580
Baton Rouge to Houston, TX
Member since Apr 2018
6318 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:56 pm to
Wow hire him as an offensive analyst.. that’s profound
Posted by PuraVida
Indamarsh, LA
Member since Oct 2013
1038 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:56 pm to
Did anyone watch the 2nd Half of the Green Bay/Chicago game last night. Aaron Rodgers was hurt and the offensive line was struggling to protect. They changed to short/rhythm passing to neutralize the rush. Masterful, but not expecting our coaches to figure it out...
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 12:56 pm to
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Why does 100% of the blame have to be placed on one or the other? I'm not saying the coaching staff shoulders none of the blame, but are you not willing to at least entertain the thought that we have personnel issues, something all of us were well aware of coming into the season, and something that is worse currently than it was a month ago?

I'm abundantly aware that we have personnel issues. My problem is there wasn't a demonstrable effort to adjust and account for those personnel issues when we were getting outmanned by an FCS opponent. If we can't adjust in light of our deficiencies and move the ball against SELU we are in for a very, very long afternoon on the Plains.
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For the sake of argument, let's say we did spread them out 5 wide and try to combat our inability to block and that didn't work either.

I've never said i think this would be a good solution but it would have been nice to see an effort to change things up. Simply throwing more blockers in there didn't engender a ton of confidence in the coaching staff for me.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130270 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:04 pm to
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What do you expect. The coaches are Miles hold over...

Isn’t Ensminger all that’s left on offense for Miles’ holdovers?
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71079 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:04 pm to
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My problem is there wasn't a demonstrable effort to adjust and account for those personnel issues when we were getting outmanned by an FCS opponent. If we can't adjust in light of our deficiencies and move the ball against SELU we are in for a very, very long afternoon on the Plains.

I don't disagree with this. It is very concerning to me that the situation even presented itself where drastic adjustments became necessary against an FCS school. If our line is getting dominated by an FCS school, scheme change or not, we're going to be in a world of hurt when we start playing good SEC defenses like Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn. That's why my concern is greater for the personnel than the offense or offensive scheme we're running. It's not about blaming one person/group or the other. I just think the narrative about the staff making adjustments should be more focused on the fact that our OL was simply overpowered by an FCS school. That, IMO, should be far more concerning than whether or not Ensminger adjusted Saturday. Those spread offenses generally don't have success against good defenses even though they're designed for teams with inferior line talent. Good defenses (like ours) typically shut them down
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:08 pm to
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So Traore got beat consistantly because of scheme? Right


No because hes really a guard.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78069 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:09 pm to
But we’re all saying that you can scheme ways to alleviate the pressure on your online.

SELA was blitzing and our response was more blockers in to not pick up the blitz.

We need to be able to ID the blitzes and spread the field enough where they can’t bring extra guys without sacrificing men in coverage.

Throw the ball where the guy blitzing isn’t. Put guys out there so they cannot bring as many guys and still have good coverage.

If we’re just turtling up to protect Burrow why is he even in the game?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78069 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:12 pm to
Every bad tackle isn’t really a guard.

Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:17 pm to
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Every bad tackle isn’t really a guard.


But if you're to keep playing them...that's where you move them. He's slow off the ball and his footwork is terrible.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71079 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:21 pm to
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SELA was blitzing and our response was more blockers in to not pick up the blitz.

They really weren't blitzing more guys than we had in there to protect. Their line was simply beating ours off the ball and getting to Burrow and our backs with ease. They typically weren't rushing more than 4 guys. They didn't start bringing more guys to the LOS until we went heavy. So, like I said, if we can't block 4 FCS players from getting into the backfield with ease, I don't care what offense we're running, we will not move the ball against good defenses.
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:28 pm to
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Why does 100% of the blame have to be placed on one or the other? I'm not saying the coaching staff shoulders none of the blame, but are you not willing to at least entertain the thought that we have personnel issues, something all of us were well aware of coming into the season, and something that is worse currently than it was a month ago? For the sake of argument, let's say we did spread them out 5 wide and try to combat our inability to block and that didn't work either. What would the rant narrative have been at that point? I'm sure there would have been some manufactured narrative of how the coaching staff sucks. I can almost guarantee no one would have been saying, "well, we adjusted how we should have, so kudos to Ensminger for at least trying to what we could to move the ball."



Most of us have said over the last two weeks that Burrow, OL, and WR all need work. And that we are weaker than usual at RB as well. They are college kids though and are not gonna be helped out with that alone, certainly not in a game situation.

Do you not see a trend and similarity? This is all too familiar to the last several of Miles seasons. I refuse to believe that for 10 years straight we haven't had the personnel after numerous top 10 classes and many of those skill players and even QBs being drafted and spending time in the NFL. Many of them have made huge impacts and been among the best at their position as well. Some still are today. Why is it suddenly different now? I'll admit RB is weaker than usual, we've been spoiled there. But we are not an FCS or even G5 school. We have P5 talent and we can run a scheme that takes advantages of their strengths and masks weaknesses IF we have the coaching staff to put it together.

To entertain your assumption, the playcalling still has to be creative even with 5 wide. We can't just run 5 go routes and expect it to work. If we truly tried something creative in that vain and it didn't work, I would say well at least we tried. Unlike say...the 2012 BCSCG where we tried nothing or the ND bowl game last season when we turtled up. Look how those turned out. I would be much more accepting if we at least TRIED and still got beat.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78069 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 1:29 pm to
I agree We had enough guys back there, but blitz aren’t just pure numbers it’s where you bring the extra guys as well. Aranda is especially good at getting numbers without bringing the house. But SELA was pretty aggressive.

Often blown assignments let guys go free through the gaps.

What I am Saying is 1. We weren’t attaching the blitz in anyway. 2. We weren’t attaching the pass rush in any way. 3. We weren’t picking up the blitz, and putting more min in to block is useless if you don’t if you don’t pick up the blitz.

Blitzing is aggressive. You leave space and players uncovered in exchange for extra pass rushers, but we weren’t doing the things you do to make teams pay for it, AND our conservative offense didn’t force them to put more men in coverages
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