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re: stupid base running
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:42 pm to STEVED00
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:42 pm to STEVED00
I meant he reflects PM's aggressive philosophy coaching 3rd...although he did stop a number of runners at 3rd during the Supers saving almost sure outs. So he did become a little more conservative.
I think an overall aggressive philosophy by PM and his coaches has succeeded way more often than failed. Only people who dwell on the negative think LSU's baserunning has been a detriment to the overall success.
I think an overall aggressive philosophy by PM and his coaches has succeeded way more often than failed. Only people who dwell on the negative think LSU's baserunning has been a detriment to the overall success.
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Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:46 pm to HOUbengal
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I think an overall aggressive philosophy by PM and his coaches has succeeded way more often than failed.
only because our talent has been able to mask it.
the playing field is even now, and it is much MUCH MUCH more likely to cost us a game than it would be against Miss St or Southeastern LA.
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Only people who dwell on the negative think LSU's baserunning has been a detriment to the overall success.
It hasn't been a detriment to our success if you look at the big picture.
But now the picture size is getting smaller, and there is no room for error.
Like I said, you can still be aggressive without being stupid
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:46 pm to LSURussian
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Then you need to change your mindset.
How so?? Baseball strategy is not rocket science and I hope by the time these kids make it to college they don't need to be taught fundamentals. I'm just saying if you had to rank the importance of a great coach in each sport from most to least it would be 1. Football 2. Basketball 3. Baseball
I'm not a baseball hater. Its actually my favorite sport, but I believe to much importance is put on the coaches. Baseball Coaches MOST important function is evaluating talent and I think Maineri is EXCELLENT at that.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:52 pm to Lester Earl
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Like I said, you can still be aggressive without being stupid
Just because runners are thrown out doesnt mean the decision was stupid...it only looks like that to people who are ignorant....not stupid..but ignorant.
The stolen base attempt by J Mitch simply wasnt stupid...it just wasnt. The other team made a great play. And there are numerous times throughout the season where people thought that those type of outs were because of stupid decisions.
In the World Series, you're gonna see an equivalent strategy to the NBA playoffs...more of a half-court game. YOu're not gonna see as many "over-aggressive" plays...and you're gonna see more sacrificing also....especially in the early games with the stud pitchers out there.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 10:08 pm to HOUbengal
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Just because runners are thrown out doesnt mean the decision was stupid
i can distinguish between the 2
sending Ochinko to 3rd: stupid
Nola going home: stupid
Mahtook going to 3rd: half stupid, each should get blame.
Not just cause they were out. Just cause it was stupid regardless if they were out or safe.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 11:28 pm to Fastball
Posted on 6/6/09 at 11:36 pm to Lester Earl
you are right, sir. I started another thread before I saw this one, on the same topic. you covered it.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 2:35 am to Fastball
If we run the bases in Omaha like we did Saturday we won't win one game there. Sanchez (third base coach) better step it up. He has been pitiful. The 3B coach has to take responsibility.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 6:04 am to ChewyDante
Several base running errors, could have cost us but didn't....we've done that all season, seems to me....hope it doesn't get us in Omaha.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 6:38 am to Fastball
We have some of the most ignorant baseball fans in the world on this site.
This post was edited on 6/7/09 at 6:42 am
Posted on 6/7/09 at 7:37 am to Lester Earl
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1. mahtook going to 3rd on a ball hit to SS
2. mitchell stealing 3B
3. Ochinko trying to go to 3rd and getting throw out
4. Nola going home from 3rd on a dribbler to the picther
Sanchez is a horrible 3rd base coach.
Don't know how "horrible" he is, but I do know that, with a 2 run lead, you don't take yourselves out of innings with the kind of BREs (Base Running Errors) that we made tonight.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 8:34 am to Acadien
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Everyone would call it genious if he was safe
Not really. When you have the fastest man in college baseball on second, in a close game, there's no need to risk running yourself out of an inning just to gain a base. Safe or out it was a bad decision. I like PM, and hope he sticks around for 20 more years, but have never considered him a great in game manager.
The Mahtook mistake was on the kid. Just a bad base running decision. LSU is fortunate to have the talent to overcome these mistakes but it will bite us in the butt eventually.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 8:49 am to wilfont
Personally I think that all this crazyness is going to catch up with them. Yes it is good to be aggressive, but, but when you add aggressive with being stupid you have a disaster waiting to happen. That is where we are headed with these crazy base running mistakes. To use speed just because you have it is one thing but, to have speed and know when and how to use it another, and it seems we don't know when and how to use it. I just hope it dosen't cost us a shot at winning it all. 
Posted on 6/7/09 at 8:59 am to CaseyMc2
We're aggressive on the base path, sometimes too much. But none of you want to point out all the runs/wins we got this year by being aggressive. All the steals, hit and runs, stretching singles into doubles, etc.
Nope, our fans only point out when we make an out or mistake. They can't understand that some of our success is due to this aggressive style. We put constant pressure on the defense by making them make plays. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. One would think our success speaks for itself.
51 wins
SEC champion
SEC tourney champion
Regional champion
Super regional champion
Omaha bound
Nope, our fans only point out when we make an out or mistake. They can't understand that some of our success is due to this aggressive style. We put constant pressure on the defense by making them make plays. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. One would think our success speaks for itself.
51 wins
SEC champion
SEC tourney champion
Regional champion
Super regional champion
Omaha bound
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:23 am to JustSmokin
Those mistakes yesterday will cost you a game against a better apponent playing in Omaha. I like aggressive base running but when the ball is in front of you, to go ahead and go anyway is crazy. To not pick up your coach when you cannot see the ball behind you is crazy. It is this kind of crazyness that will eventually catch up with you if you keep doing it and getting caught. I want them to be aggressive because it puts pressure on the opponent, but to do it when it is not the time to do it, is crazy. And yesterday those baserunning mistakes were all crazy because the fan in the stands could see it and the fans at home watching it on tv could see it, it is crazy.
Also this was my 200th post on the RANT! And I have enjoyed this site more than any other that I have been a part of! The RANT is the BEST!
Also this was my 200th post on the RANT! And I have enjoyed this site more than any other that I have been a part of! The RANT is the BEST!
This post was edited on 6/7/09 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:26 am to CaseyMc2
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Those mistakes yesterday will cost you a game against a better apponent playing in Omaha.
It didn't cost us against Rice, a team that is just as good as any team we'll face in Omaha.
But since we beat them twice by making all these mistakes, I'm sure Rice sucks.
This post was edited on 6/7/09 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:28 am to CaseyMc2
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To not pick up your coach when you cannot see the ball behind you is crazy
Are you talking about DJ when the right fielder dropped the ball? I dont blame DJ one bit...cause he was stretching a single into a double. It's not like it was a routine double that was misplayed and could have casually glanced to the 3rd base coach to pick up a signal and stretch it to 3rd.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:32 am to JustSmokin
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But none of you want to point out all the runs/wins we got this year by being aggressive.
I agree the positives from being aggressive have outweighed the negatives. Taking the extra base will result in players being thrown out but it will also produce runs and victories. However I don't see Mitchell's attempt to steal third as being aggressive as much as needless. There has to be a time when aggressiveness submits to prudence and this is an example. His out at third completely changed the dynamics of the inning and it wasn't necessary.
The dumb mistakes (Mahtook) are equally frustrating to watch.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:33 am to HOUbengal
No, you are right it did not cost us because we had the talent to over come it. But, you ask Paul about the all the mistakes that were made could have and should have been prevented. And, NO this is not a should'ah, would'ah, could'ah post this is the big things that will stick out the most if you lose thew game because of them. Yes we did win and I am as happy as anyone that we did. I would've been down on the bottom of that dog pile because we won, but it still does not excuse all those base running mistakes, they were stupid.
Posted on 6/7/09 at 9:33 am to JustSmokin
This shite is like everyone who said penalties would eventually cost LSU when they won the 2007 National Championship. It didn't.
But, this is a horrible running team. Coach Mainieri is aggresive, I get that. I have no problem with being caught trying to steal and things like that. But to try to take third from first on hard liners, and to break to home on line drives is just plain dumb. As I stated earlier, Mahtook was taught at an early age not to run from 2nd to 3rd if a grounder is hit in FRONT of you. While Sanchez is responsible for reminding him, it should be embedded in his brain. Jared stealing third with one out is just nonsense. It was not a double steal, it was just him thinking he could do it. He put no thought into what making the 2nd out would do. As Kyle Peterson said a couple times yesterday "That changes the whole inning".
But, this is a horrible running team. Coach Mainieri is aggresive, I get that. I have no problem with being caught trying to steal and things like that. But to try to take third from first on hard liners, and to break to home on line drives is just plain dumb. As I stated earlier, Mahtook was taught at an early age not to run from 2nd to 3rd if a grounder is hit in FRONT of you. While Sanchez is responsible for reminding him, it should be embedded in his brain. Jared stealing third with one out is just nonsense. It was not a double steal, it was just him thinking he could do it. He put no thought into what making the 2nd out would do. As Kyle Peterson said a couple times yesterday "That changes the whole inning".
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